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shotgunshooter3
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Is there more to the Zimmerman case than we thought?
shotgunshooter3
Posts: 6,116 Senior Member
Last I checked in to the thread about the Zimmerman case (neighborhood watch member shoots unarmed 17 year old black "man") most people seemed to be drawing the conclusion that it was an act of Racism and Zimmerman acted well outside of the boundaries of his position.
Here is another view on the case, and it is now making a comparison to the Duke Lacross case of 2006. It basically shows the man who was shot in a different light than the media originally portrayed. Interesting read:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html
Here is another view on the case, and it is now making a comparison to the Duke Lacross case of 2006. It basically shows the man who was shot in a different light than the media originally portrayed. Interesting read:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html
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When I first heard the 911 tapes, I had the impression that Zimmerman was in his case when he made the call and the dispatcher told him not to follow. Now, I'm not so sure. If he was following Trayvon on foot, called on his cell, was returning to his vehical AND Trayvon attacked him, it's an entirely different situation. At this point, though, I really don't know what happened.
It's also a shame that the media and so-called civil rights leaders like Sharpton and Jackson don't get upset over black on black crime, but just about bust a gut when it's white on black. It's a dangerous double standard, and does more harm to minorities than good. All my humble opinion, of course, but that's the way I see it.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Jerry
Zimmerman is evidently of mixed-race, with black family members. However, his alleged racial slur isn't helping things for him.
The NY Times called him a 'white Hispanic'.
Another thing that the media, at least Fox News, is doing to stir this up is to use the picture of the black kid that was taken when he was 12. He was 16 when the incident occurred, and 6'2" tall.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
It is fact (a Sanford PD police report I have a copy of) that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and from the back of his head when LE arrived. He also had grass stains and wetness from the grass on the back of his clothing.
I researched Florida law, and if Martin's attack was a felony battery in progress, then Zimmerman's use of deadly force to stop the attack was justifiable homicide. The "stand your ground" law is not a factor under these circumstances. We'll see, there will be more.
I agree with you, Jerry, that the photo of that kid just didn't fit.
At first, I thought that this was a case of an over zealous cop wannabee, but as more info comes in, I'm leaning the other way.
Jim
Zimmerman said Martin took off running, yet when he followed you can tell (he was still on phone with dispatcher) he wasn't running. Does that sound like he was trying to catch/ apprehend? Or just see where he went?
ABC News found a (unreliable) witness who said Martin was screaming and the police corrected/ coerced her testimony. She only heard the screams, there was another witness who saw the fight and knew it was Zimmerman. The police knew there was an eye witness and knew she was wrong, but noooooo it was a big conspiracy.... Three witnesses told ABC news it was Martin screaming, they were all wrong.
Read several 'news' writers who claim, ''How would you react if you were being chased by man with a gun?'' If he was running, and Zimmerman was walking, is that a chase? The gun was concealed until Zimmerman was on the ground. The head of NAACP has said on camera that Trayvon was, "Chased down the street by an armed man and murdered''
The 40 calls to 911 is incorrect. That was 45 calls since 2004, not 1 year as reported. In the HOA newsletter it states, ''If you are a victim of a crime, after calling the POlice, contact our neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman.'' Does that sound like he was ''Self-appointed''? Wouldn't a REAL Watch Captain call the police now and again? Also read where they weren't all 911 calls either, but to the regular poice line.
Some of Zimmermans calls lead to criminals getting arrested (no specifics to this).
During one of the 911 calls, you can hear Zimmerman screaming for almost a minute before the gun shot. That's a long time to take a beating.
Finally, a recent picture....
Jokes aside, I wish another young life hadn't been taken. All the anti 2A / CCW/Stand Your Ground FLA Law groups are shamelessly making hay off this tragedy with politicians/hucksters/race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton beating the race card drum before the investigation results are complete.
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Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
That picture has been heavily cropped- - - -in its full form he's flipping the one-fingered salute with both hands. Before the kid's Facebook page was deleted, he's striking a gangsta-style pose in that pic, and his handle is vulgar and offensive, also!
Jerry
Them folks already looked like fools.
Now, Trayvon's mom is trying to trademark "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon". "To protect intellectual property rightsfor use in projects to help other families in similar situations." Okay. Deeper and deeper it gets. Scuba will soon be warranted.
Original song about Norma Jean / Marilyn Monroe
Re-written for Princess Diana
For Trayvon
I'm not certain of the source, but I thought I saw that that picture (flipping the bird) wasn't actually Martin, but one of his friends.
Way too much bad information in this cse, and whatever the outcome, I don't think the truth will ever fully come out.
That's about my take on it. Both were at fault to some extent.
Luis
Pretty much. Either way, my understanding of the Texas version of that law is this... if you initiate an encounter that ends up with someone beating you senseless, and you have to shoot to stop the threat, it's still your fault. If I harass some guy on the street and he ends up beating me within an inch of my life for my trouble, if I shoot him it's still murder.
But whatever.
BINGO. It has always been painfully obvious that many are looking ultimately to "get$ paid" at the end of all this protesting and indignation. I doubt many involved in the uproar have altruistic intentions at the heart of it, whatever the facts uncover about what really happened.
BTW, HOW one asks what someone's doing in your neighborhood (and any comments said after that) can be just as likely to escalate the situation. Not saying Zimmerman did that, but it helps to learn from other situations.
THANK YOU!!!! Thugs come in ALL sizes and colors. I don't care what color you are, you dress like a thug, you will get treated like one. A white boy dressed like a thug will get treated just the sane as a black boy who dresses like a thug.
Right, it is profiling, but it has nothing to do with race. The media is completely oblivious to the fact that the words "racial" and "profiling" can be used separately of each other.
He's trying to look tough. Kinda like the teenagers who get fake tatoos, or dress tough.
In the end they just look stupid...
There's another account somewhere that during all this, Martin went for Zimmerman's concealed pistol, which was still in its concealed location, but exposed during the tussle.
All of this leads me to another part of Florida law, Chapter 782, HOMICIDE, which says:
782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force.—The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be.
Please look it up. It has nothing to do with "stand your ground" or "duty to retreat", and I see no qualifying sections to modify or condition section 782.02.
I bring this up because Zimmerman's story is consistent with this provision. He never confronted Martin, and was attacked without any significant provocation. Martin's physical attack was serious enough to constitute "felony battery" uppon Zimmerman, and therefore Zimmerman's use of deadly force qualifies as the "Justifiable use of deadly force" under section 782.02.
We're assuming that there are sufficient witness to back up Zimmerman's story. I just don't see that 776.041 applies here. I would simply apply Chapter 776.012 which reads:
Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
What do you think? I wish I was a lawyer! I'd appreciate your feedback. I just want the truth, the rest will have to sort itself out.