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The Secret Service thinks it's Congress!

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Oh, I see. You're conflating the Secret Service with the 3rd US Infantry regiment. I'm not sure that's applicable, and I'm pretty sure they just agree (not swear) to act in a professional manner.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    http://www.secretservice.gov/join/who.shtml

    "Each point of the Secret Service star represents one of the agency’s five core values: justice, duty, courage, honesty and loyalty. These values, and the Secret Service adage “Worthy of Trust and Confidence,” resonate with each man and woman who has sworn the oath to uphold them."

    SECRET SERVICE OATH OF OFFICE:

    "I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

    Sounds like an oath to Me.
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  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    http://www.secretservice.gov/join/who.shtml

    "each point of the secret service star represents one of the agency’s five core values: Justice, duty, courage, honesty and loyalty. These values, and the secret service adage “worthy of trust and confidence,” resonate with each man and woman who has sworn the oath to uphold them."

    secret service oath of office:

    "i, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that i take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that i will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which i am about to enter. So help me god."

    sounds like an oath to me.



    THANK YOU!

    Seems this info comes form the net as well but it comes from the OFFICIAL Secret Service site not some homemade outfit as snopes is.

    Lot of folks have used snopes as the end of all arguments and questioning it's reliability takes down that house of cards but at the end it is what it is and nothing else, "The only truth is reality".
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    That is an oath, no doubt. But does it talks about how they will act other than discharging the duties of office? I don't see them swearing to act a certain way professionally, such as no drinking, swearing, or consorting with women of ill repute. That was my point.

    Also, if you'll notice, of the 5 core values neither integrity nor morality is listed, which is what the behaviors under question would probably violate.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    That is an oath, no doubt. But does it talks about how they will act other than discharging the duties of office? I don't see them swearing to act a certain way professionally, such as no drinking, swearing, or consorting with women of ill repute. That was my point.

    Also, if you'll notice, of the 5 core values neither integrity nor morality is listed, which is what the behaviors under question would probably violate.

    You really, really, really don't like to be wrong!
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Please, show me where in the oath they say they'll act in a certain manner with regards to morality and be upstanding. That was your point, wasn't it? Or did I misunderstand you again?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    That is an oath, no doubt. But does it talks about how they will act other than discharging the duties of office? I don't see them swearing to act a certain way professionally, such as no drinking, swearing, or consorting with women of ill repute. That was my point.

    Also, if you'll notice, of the 5 core values neither integrity nor morality is listed, which is what the behaviors under question would probably violate.

    Do you believe that the issue is centered around integrity or morality? In fact, the actions taken if true, are not even against the law - unless the girls are underage. But the actions do call into question their sense of duty and loyalty. If they were bragging about protecting the president to the ladies and left trip timetables in their rooms where these ladies visited, this was a serious breach of duty and security. Of course, I could have missed where this thread took a left turn and you guys are talking about something else.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Here is a valid point no one has hit on, what do people do when they want a group out of the picture, and want to install their own cronies, more favorable to their own agenda ? set them up to fall.
    That is what happened here, the agents most likely helped along their own demise too.

    My father used to say, Son, the day may come when the Man will come to hang you, just don't give them the rope to hang you with.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Go back and read an earlier post, it is ILLEGAL for Federal Employees/Military to use prostitutes, even if that is a legal activity in the country it happened in. It all falls under new human trafficking regulations.

    They have all had mandatory annual classes on this and should have known better. Not saying I agree with the new policy 100%, but it is what it is. Worse yet is the security violations when they are an advanced POTUS security team and the knowledge they possess could put them in a very compromising situation.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Do you believe that the issue is centered around integrity or morality? In fact, the actions taken if true, are not even against the law - unless the girls are underage. But the actions do call into question their sense of duty and loyalty. If they were bragging about protecting the president to the ladies and left trip timetables in their rooms where these ladies visited, this was a serious breach of duty and security. Of course, I could have missed where this thread took a left turn and you guys are talking about something else.

    For some, I think the issue is centered around integrity and morality. Just my supposition. I hadn't heard of any misplaced time tables. If that's the case then yes, they were compromised, much like the Embassy Marines were I mentioned earlier in this thread. That would be a breach of security. As for bragging about protecting the President, that's kind of nebulous to me. Yes, they did it, but I've seen folks who were very remotely tied to things bragging up their involvement. Kinda like the fellow I knew who liked to talk about how he worked at top-secret government installations, and what he was was hush-hush. He worked on the heating and air systems. Vital to the work but not secret squirrel. I wonder if the girls at the establishment even took the agents seriously?

    My responses were geared toward what I perceived to be the thoughts that because they worked for the Secret Service they were called to a higher morality.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    FYI................it's illegal!

    The act goes hand in hand with Executive Order 13387 signed by the President Oct. 14 2005. Among other changes to the law, the order expands the Uniform Code of Military Justice to specifically criminalize patronizing a prostitute. Patronizing a prostitute is punishable by a Dishonorable Discharge, confinement for 1 year, reduction in grade to E-1 and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.


    So a GI can't legally visit the Cat Houses in Germany anymore??????? Even though it is a legal activity?


    OK from the Air Force Europe:

    http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123017180

    President signs law against human trafficking

    Posted 2/10/2006 Updated 3/13/2006 Email story Print story

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    2/10/2006 - RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany (USAFENS) -- On Jan. 10, The President of the United States signed into law the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2005. This is the latest effort in the U.S. Government’s “Zero Tolerance” policy toward human trafficking. Any employee of the Federal Government faces fines, mandatory restitution, and up to 20 years imprisonment for knowingly taking part in, patronizing, or simply tolerating trafficking networks.

    “Human trafficking is an offense against human dignity, a crime in which human beings, many of them teenagers and young children, are bought and sold and often sexually abused by violent criminals,” President George Bush said at the White House before signing the bill. “Our nation is determined to fight and end this modern form of slavery.”
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Well, that changes things....




























    Why did they wait until Clinton was out of office to do that?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    Legal prostitution is not human trafficking.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Legal prostitution is not human trafficking.

    Now they want to compare prostitution to slavery, so if you pay a prostitute for sex, you become by default a "slave trader" sounds like a political agenda to Me.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Legal prostitution is not human trafficking.

    By the GOVTs policy it is, they cast a large net.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    A large net that is used selectively to winnow out the people they do not want, and keep the ones that will not "Rat us out" to the rest of the World, this has nothing to do with Justice, sounds more like JUST US !!!! the King can do no wrong etc....... everyone else is toast.
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  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Man, that's twisted thinking.
    Do you mean to tell me/us that the present (or any) administration hired womenizers in the Secret Service knowing that they would associate with prostitutes?
    That astounds me.
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Now they're saying that members of the military were involved, too.


    Hookers and soldiers/sailors/marines? Never heard of such a thing!
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,914 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    http://www.secretservice.gov/join/who.shtml

    "Each point of the Secret Service star represents one of the agency’s five core values: justice, duty, courage, honesty and loyalty. These values, and the Secret Service adage “Worthy of Trust and Confidence,” resonate with each man and woman who has sworn the oath to uphold them."

    SECRET SERVICE OATH OF OFFICE:

    "I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

    Sounds like an oath to Me.

    Ummmm thats not the "Secret Service Oath" it's the exact same oath that every other Government employee takes...
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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    By the GOVTs policy it is, they cast a large net.

    Source?
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Source?

    Post #44 by Big Chief has the source. Executive Order 13387.
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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Post #44 by Big Chief has the source. Executive Order 13387.

    Ok, that was for all government employees and The Executive Order applies to Human Trafficing only, not legal prostitution.

    The prohibition of prostitution is only under the UCMJ from what I can tell, does the Secret Service fall under the UCMJ?
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Ok, that was for all government employees and The Executive Order applies to Human Trafficing only, not legal prostitution.

    The prohibition of prostitution is only under the UCMJ from what I can tell, does the Secret Service fall under the UCMJ?

    "2/10/2006 - RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany (USAFENS) -- On Jan. 10, The President of the United States signed into law the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2005. This is the latest effort in the U.S. Government’s “Zero Tolerance” policy toward human trafficking. Any employee of the Federal Government faces fines, mandatory restitution, and up to 20 years imprisonment for knowingly taking part in, patronizing, or simply tolerating trafficking networks."

    They now consider being a "John" as taking part in Human Trafficking with the reasoning that using them supports Human Trafficking (in some way) by creating a demand and although it may be legal/with of age registered prostitutes in some countries and seem nutty and unfair, it's their line of reasoning. By supporting the "Sex Trade" they say encourages more women/girls to be mistreated.

    Kinda like being charged with murder if you are the getaway driver for a bank robbery, even though you sat in the car and didn't even have a gun, but your accomplices fired shots and someone was murdered in the bank.

    In other words, if you patronized a legal whore house/call girl service that is legal, taxed and run like any other business with police protection/ routine medical checkups in some country, you are still as guilty as if you used a service that held women in captivity by holding their passports/threats/used underage prostitutes/got them hooked on drugs or whatever.

    They changed Federal Employees status a few years ago while on deployments where they can be brought home and prosecuted in federal courts for crimes. We are not under UCMJ, but the Theater Commander has you by the short hairs. Looks like that includes TDY trips to foreign countries , as well. It ain't like it used to be.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
    Our local rag front page story was this today, listing the number of women involved and numbers of militaty and SS.

    Seems 11 women went to the SS

    And

    are you ready for this?

    10 women were involved with 2 Marines


    OOOOHRAW

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,914 Senior Member
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Our local rag front page story was this today, listing the number of women involved and numbers of militaty and SS.

    Seems 11 women went to the SS

    And

    are you ready for this?

    10 women were involved with 2 Marines


    OOOOHRAW

    Semper FI

    Dang, they run outta Sailors to date................:tooth::jester::guns::popcorn:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    Oldest profession in the world I suppose means that it is right?

    Prostitution is legal in Colombia, I wonder how those that use this fact to defend the SS guys involved in this would react if their daughters choose to move to, Colombia, Las Vegas or wherever is legal to take up that profession.

    I mean if it is legal regulated and so on it is okay, right? How are we to know that the woman involved are doing this willingly or even not forced to do so by sheer povertry, how old are they?

    IMO, lots of stuff hanging up in the air to form an opinion.
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,462 Senior Member
    But it is perfectly ok to pick up some random girl at the bar and have sex with her all you want, but the second you decide to pay her it becomes such a big deal. Hell it seems like every time my wife wants to have sex with me she wants money.. Does that mean I'm going to loose my security clearance and job too?
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    I'm coming late to this party, and probably am about to post something that's already been stated, or at least kicked around. Regardless, here's my take on this.

    In my humble opinion, the secret service should be held to higher standards than most other military personnel. It is their sole responsibility to protect the single most important, powerful and influential person in the world. Like him or not, Obama holds that position because he is the president. Not only should the conduct of these men (and women?) be above reproach, but they should realize that they may well have information that others could use to cause harm to the president as well as the USA. So, for that reason, this is a big deal.

    I also think that when you look at everything else going on under the current administration, you start to see a pattern emerge. First, there was Fast and Furious, which is still being covered up, and simply scandalous. Next, we have the GSA scandal, and now this. It's starting to paint a picture of a lax administration that isn't minding the story, and not paying attention to what is important.
    Jerry

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