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Sadly, the best MILSURP deals are becoming a thing of the past.

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
With the lone exception of the Mosin Nagants, most "Bargains" are gone. German/Yugo Mausers have gone up for poorer quality ones, Swedish Mausers are hard to find and expensive when you do. SMLEs/.303s the same. Same for American surplus, like M-1 Carbines and Garands and the like.

Some Swiss rifles still out there, but the better ones will cost you a pretty penny. Even the M-44s are getting costly. A good Yugo SKS is over $300 now.

Handguns, well have been a little surprising. Semis like the CZ 52s are hard to find and not fer $99 bucks, but CZ 82s and P-64s are out there, as are the Russian Nagants. BATF does add to their C&R list occasionally. Actually, the C&R list is fairly long, but the guns just aren't available for a shooters price anymore.

Even the great deals on surplus ammo are about gone, which made shooting some of them a real inexpensive way to blast away a day at the range.

I know, depending on when you got a C&R and or started collecting is all very relevant.

Thing is, modern MILSURPS like the M-16A1s/AKs and clones probably will not be allowed on the list even if converted to semi-only in most cases.

Bolt rifles are becoming a thing of the past for military use with a few exceptions for special uses.

Gee, will Beretta M-9s be the surplus C&R of the future?

Hopefully "New" finds of great old stuff will be sold by countries hoarding them around the world so we can have a shot buying them. Who knows what the future will hold.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    With the lone exception of the Mosin Nagants, most "Bargains" are gone. German/Yugo Mausers have gone up for poorer quality ones, Swedish Mausers are hard to find and expensive when you do. SMLEs/.303s the same. Same for American surplus, like M-1 Carbines and Garands and the like.

    Some Swiss rifles still out there, but the better ones will cost you a pretty penny. Even the M-44s are getting costly. A good Yugo SKS is over $300 now.

    Handguns, well have been a little surprising. Semis like the CZ 52s are hard to find and not fer $99 bucks, but CZ 82s and P-64s are out there, as are the Russian Nagants. BATF does add to their C&R list occasionally. Actually, the C&R list is fairly long, but the guns just aren't available for a shooters price anymore.

    Even the great deals on surplus ammo are about gone, which made shooting some of them a real inexpensive way to blast away a day at the range.

    I know, depending on when you got a C&R and or started collecting is all very relevant.

    Thing is, modern MILSURPS like the M-16A1s/AKs and clones probably will not be allowed on the list even if converted to semi-only in most cases.

    Bolt rifles are becoming a thing of the past for military use with a few exceptions for special uses.

    Gee, will Beretta M-9s be the surplus C&R of the future?

    Hopefully "New" finds of great old stuff will be sold by countries hoarding them around the world so we can have a shot buying them. Who knows what the future will hold.

    Yep the price is going up because they're getting more rare every day. I bought my Garand through the DCM in 1983 for $121.96. Nowdays they are over $500. I got an 03/A3 for free back in the late 80s when the VFV post changed their color guatd rifles to Garands, and my dad was post commander. The guy in charge of swapping the rifles just ask him if he wanted it. He really didn't have any use for it at the time so he told me to take it and I did. Now that same 03-A3 would go for $500-$700.
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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    The best days may have been when you would see tables full of those beautiful Swedish Mausers. They seemed so well cared for.
  • ThatMattGuyThatMattGuy Senior Member Harrisonburg VaPosts: 666 Senior Member
    Yep you are right. I remember a wholesaler back in the 90's called KY Imports and their monthly ad was ALWAYS full of cheap surplus rifles and police trade in guns. If you look at them now they have virtually nothing for sale. I think I have an old catalog I will see if I can find it and scan some pages
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  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Seems like the older one gets, the faster the "good ole days" disappear.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    The best days may have been when you would see tables full of those beautiful Swedish Mausers. They seemed so well cared for.

    I'm glad I got a nice M-96 Swedish Mauser fer $89-99 bucks Carl Gustav (1900) back when and in retrospect I wish I'd bought a short rifle too, among many others.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Seems like the older one gets, the faster the "good ole days" disappear.

    Ain't that the truth.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Yep you are right. I remember a wholesaler back in the 90's called KY Imports and their monthly ad was ALWAYS full of cheap surplus rifles and police trade in guns. If you look at them now they have virtually nothing for sale. I think I have an old catalog I will see if I can find it and scan some pages

    I think I remember that place.............we can only dream about it now.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yep the price is going up because they're getting more rare every day. I bought my Garand through the DCM in 1983 for $121.96. Nowdays they are over $500. I got an 03/A3 for free back in the late 80s when the VFV post changed their color guatd rifles to Garands, and my dad was post commander. The guy in charge of swapping the rifles just ask him if he wanted it. He really didn't have any use for it at the time so he told me to take it and I did. Now that same 03-A3 would go for $500-$700.

    Not just MILSURPS, seems all gun prices have been artificially inflated and bullets have skyrocketed in price. I just looked at Midway for .30 M-1 Carbine REM 110 grain JSP bullets, now over $80 bucks for #500, not that long ago I could get them fer $40 bucks.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Miami, FL almost in the USA ;)Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    So rather than lament the past... what do you think will be coming up?

    Makarovs would be my personal favorite. There are thousands in surplus overseas, but they don't meet the import ban counts.

    C&R is any gun over 50 years old, or that has been qualified by letters requesting C&R status to the BATFE and approved.

    The SKS is still a C&R gun and the Russian, and Yugos are fun guns to shoot and collect.

    What is coming up that we can anticipate? Won't there be a bunch of military revolvers at some point in the future?

    D
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Seems like the older one gets, the faster the "good ole days" disappear.

    That's for sure Robert. However, you are old enough to remember the 1960s. I remember it was a big deal when my dad's American Rifleman would come. It was chocked full of pages of guns from Garands to Swedish Mausers and all in between. And I think the highest price you would see might have been $50. 03-A3s in excellent condition went for $25. 1917 Emfields, it made no difference which company made it, Remington, Winchester, Eddystone, they were $15 tops. **** Type 99 Rifles were a dime a dozen. M1 Carbines were maybe $35-$45, while Garands were expensive at $40-$50. That was the golden age of milsurps.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Well, lets see, I'd give $100 bucks for a Beretta M-9 US Army surplus in 9 Sillymeter, maybe..:roll2::roll2::roll2:

    Actually, I'm keeping my C&R for a variety of reasons. One it's easier to renew than start from scratch, lots of mail order places give you "Dealer" discounts and access to their price lists with a C&R Lic# and I'm hoping for some new releases/finds where a warehouse full of MILSURPS of some kind will be put on the market.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    So rather than lament the past... what do you think will be coming up?

    Makarovs would be my personal favorite. There are thousands in surplus overseas, but they don't meet the import ban counts.

    C&R is any gun over 50 years old, or that has been qualified by letters requesting C&R status to the BATFE and approved.

    The SKS is still a C&R gun and the Russian, and Yugos are fun guns to shoot and collect.

    What is coming up that we can anticipate? Won't there be a bunch of military revolvers at some point in the future?

    D

    Oh, I'm cautiously optimistic about the future and MILSURP collecting. However, I know sellers will be milking any good finds to the max to inflate prices with statements like "Last chance" "No more when these are gone" "Rare find" "Hidden away for over 100 years in an obscure warehouse...." all equal more $$$$$ fer them.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Oh, I'm cautiously optimistic about the future and MILSURP collecting. However, I know sellers will be milking any good finds to the max to inflate prices with statements like "Last chance" "No more when these are gone" "Rare find" "Hidden away for over 100 years in an obscure warehouse...." all equal more $$$$$ fer them.

    I agree. Collecting is definitely in. However obtaining may be quite another story. The old favorites are getting rare as hens teeth, which actually makes collecting a more lucrative venture. We did see a reprieve in the 1990s and early 2000s after the Iron Curtain came down and all those warehouses full of guns were put on our market. But those are going fast. Like you said, a Yugo Mauser's price has sky rocketed the last couple of years.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I agree. Collecting is definitely in. However obtaining may be quite another story. The old favorites are getting rare as hens teeth, which actually makes collecting a more lucrative venture. We did see a reprieve in the 1990s and early 2000s after the Iron Curtain came down and all those warehouses full of guns were put on our market. But those are going fast. Like you said, a Yugo Mauser's price has sky rocketed the last couple of years.

    I got a Yugo 24/47 in great shape a few years ago. Looks like it will be my only 8mm as how the K-98s worth a darn have all but disappeared and the few around that are in sad shape bring a premium and they act like they are auctioning off the Crown Jewels or something..
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,280 Senior Member
    Deals on Milsurps became a thing of the past a looooonnnggg time ago. I remember barrels full of grease coated Mausers with a sign in it that read "Your Pick $25.00 bayonets $2.00 extra," BM-59s for 40 bucks, 03 Springfields for 50 bucks, and M1 Garands on the gun shelf at K-Mart for under a hundred bucks...if I had only known then...I would have been spending my money on guns rather than girls and cars...
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I bought 10 Turk Mausers for $29.00 apiece, and when they came in, they looked good enough that I borrowed some money and bought 20 more. I've still got a few of 'em pigeonholed away!
    Jerry
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Global NomadPosts: 6,071 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    BM-59s for 40 bucks

    Now there is a gun I would really like to have. I have never seen one in person!
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