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ericbericb BannedPosts: 392 Member
I saw this on Ruger's site the other day. 77 /.357 I am sort of intrigued but mainly would like to see everyone's opinions. Is it a winner or another Ruger yawner?

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  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    I think it will be a handy little truck or woods gun but really won't do much that a .223 or other cartridges will do. A 1.5-5 x 20 scope would look pretty good on it and serve its purpose.
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,458 Senior Member
    I would like to handle one first, but it looks like it could grow on me...
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  • BPsniperBPsniper Banned Posts: 1,961 Senior Member
    It begs the question, "Why?"

    :down:
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  • wolf049wolf049 Member Posts: 217 Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    It begs the question, "Why?"

    :down:

    I'm with BP on this one. I have played with the idea of getting one in my mind and I couldn't come up with anything that would answer the question of "Why".
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    Why not?

    Some states have some funky restrictions on firearms. I think.....Ohio?....has some rule that you can only use straight walled pistol cartridges in a rifle. Or something like that.

    I think it looks like a fun lil plinker. Probably serve well for small southern deer and maybe smaller hogs?
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  • BPsniperBPsniper Banned Posts: 1,961 Senior Member
    The man lives in Montana!!!! So again........"Why?" :yesno:
    "....the true general purpose big-game cartridges used in this country come in but two calibers, .30 and 7mm. (the .270 Win. is merely a slightly aberrant 7mm whose bullets are .007" undersize.) -Finn Aagaard - American Rifleman, December 1986
  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    I am not necessarily sold on it for me...I have other rifles in the safe or on my mind that fill the bill as well or better. I am just curious of the comments and opinions. I personally think it would make a good truck gun for varmints like coyotes and badgers out to 100 yards and the occasional small hog.

    More than anything, I am trying to figure out Ruger's marketing and product strategy. It seems like they come out with more guns than any other that screams "WHY?". I think it is great that continue to introduce new products instead of sitting on their laurels but I seem to think they have their priorities or market research mixed up.
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  • BPsniperBPsniper Banned Posts: 1,961 Senior Member
    I agree with you and think that it's great that Ruger continues to come out with new things and change the batting order. I also think that this would be a trick rifle for someone who already has and shoots lots of .357 Mag handguns. That is the market I think this rifle will appeal to.

    But, if you AREN't on of those guys..........doesn't really do much of anything and is very expensive and limited.
    "....the true general purpose big-game cartridges used in this country come in but two calibers, .30 and 7mm. (the .270 Win. is merely a slightly aberrant 7mm whose bullets are .007" undersize.) -Finn Aagaard - American Rifleman, December 1986
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,895 Senior Member
    If I lived in country with more varmits I'd get one.
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  • ThatMattGuyThatMattGuy Senior Member Posts: 666 Senior Member
    I am intrigued but would only need to buy it just to say I had one. I would be a million times more interested in it if it were .41 mag or .44 mag. I would like to see more offerings in pistol caliber rifles though.
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  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    I am intrigued but would only need to buy it just to say I had one. I would be a million times more interested in it if it were .41 mag or .44 mag. I would like to see more offerings in pistol caliber rifles though.

    They have you covered there....this has been available for about 10 years
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  • blkbird305blkbird305 Member Posts: 219 Member
    I think it would be a fun little gun to have for maybe a truck gun or camp gun especially if you had a 357 mag revolver to go with it, but then again, what can it do that a 357 mag lever gun cant do? I doubt the accuracy difference would be that noticeable for the distances it would be used at. Then again, I guess it would work for a kids first hunting rifle if you hunt in areas of thick woods or you keep the distance short.
    ...I would like to see more offerings in pistol caliber rifles though.

    Yes, please do Ruger. If you give me a bolt gun in 454 Casull I love you long time.
  • drsfefadrsfefa Member Posts: 405 Member
    I like it. I have always been a fan of the revolver on the hip matching the rifle for ammo purposes.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    blkbird305 wrote: »



    Yes, please do Ruger. If you give me a bolt gun in 454 Casull I love you long time.

    Agreed. I think it would be a great match to my SRH .454
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  • blkbird305blkbird305 Member Posts: 219 Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Agreed. I think it would be a great match to my SRH .454

    Absolutely! It would match my SRH in 454 too. I have read somewhere that 454Casull out of a rifle is pretty close in numbers to 45-70. That would make a well rounded out package, popcorn fart 45 colt reloads all the way up to Double Tap 400 Grain 454 Casull loads.
  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Agreed. I think it would be a great match to my SRH .454

    I would like to see Ruger bring the #3 back and chamber it in .460 S&W among others. They are already chambering the #1 Medium Sporter in that for a cool $1295.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    Eric, that's one of those personal choice deals. Of course, if you ask 10 of us if we approve, you might get 10 different answers. But it's like people ask me "Why did you build a pipsqueek .250 Savage? The reason, I wanted one. No other reason. If you want a Ruger 77 or for that matter a Weatherby Mk5, in .357 or 22 hornet for that matter, hey have at it. I like different stuff. And I bet if you showed up at next years SE shoot with it, you'd have the only one like it. And that is reason enough. If you like it, go for it! I think it's cool!
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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,247 Senior Member
    Why not?

    Some states have some funky restrictions on firearms. I think.....Ohio?....has some rule that you can only use straight walled pistol cartridges in a rifle. Or something like that.

    I think it looks like a fun lil plinker. Probably serve well for small southern deer and maybe smaller hogs?

    I think it may be Indiana that allows straight wall handgun calibers for deer hunting. There has been some talk of it here in Illinois but no such luck yet.
    As to why,, I say why not. There are quite a few of our brothers who rave about their .357 leverguns and nobody questions them. This give those who find pistol caliber rifles interesting and gives an option for those who don't dig leverguns.
    I for one have been interested in the .44 version for some time and will buy one when the deal comes along.

    Sako
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    Just imagine that with a nice, light pistol caliber suppressor screwed on the end.
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  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    Don't think I would want one, just does not do it for me. As others have said, Why???
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,895 Senior Member
    blkbird305 wrote: »
    popcorn fart 45 colt reloads
    Hey, boy watch it.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,895 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    It interests me, but not 700 bucks interested. The .44 mag one interests me more, but again, not 700 bucks worth.
    .44 mag bolt gun+a can= subsonic love, baby.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    I am intrigued but would only need to buy it just to say I had one. I would be a million times more interested in it if it were .41 mag or .44 mag. I would like to see more offerings in pistol caliber rifles though.
    Ahhh ... Ruger does make the bolt 77/44 ...

    http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine7744/models.html
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,584 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'd dump a Ruger .44 auto carbine for one of these in a big hurry.

    How did I not know this existed? Was it reliable at all? The one thing I'd worry about in a semi-auto chambered in a magnum pistol caliber is the wide differences in loads available. If you made it work well (maybe adjustable gas system?) could be quite fun.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,980 Senior Member
    Keep in mind that if you ever use one as a same caliber combo, your Max loads would have to loaded down to handgun data, not the data for rifles chambered in pistol calibers as many reloading manuals offer data on.

    Ruger sure has some off the wall offering, at times. I hope their market research was good and it sells a bunch, however from opinions thus far on this forum, it ain't catching on so good.

    I dunno the $$$$, but if it were cheap enough it would be fun to fart around with. Kinda like a bolt action shotgun:usa::usa:
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,541 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Keep in mind that if you ever use one as a same caliber combo, your Max loads would have to loaded down to handgun data, not the data for rifles chambered in pistol calibers as many reloading manuals offer data on.


    Not if the handgun is a Ruger. I'd run any snot slinging loads that I would run through my mod 94 through my redhawk as well. Not my 629 though.
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    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Keep in mind that if you ever use one as a same caliber combo, your Max loads would have to loaded down to handgun data, not the data for rifles chambered in pistol calibers as many reloading manuals offer data on.

    Ruger sure has some off the wall offering, at times. I hope their market research was good and it sells a bunch, however from opinions thus far on this forum, it ain't catching on so good.

    I dunno the $$$$, but if it were cheap enough it would be fun to fart around with. Kinda like a bolt action shotgun:usa::usa:

    Ruger is definitely not sitting their laurels. It will be interesting to see what stays in their catalog and what falls out. I am disappointed that they are virtually dropping all the full stocked Model 77s and some other products while bringing out new stuff.
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  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    ericb wrote: »
    Ruger is definitely not sitting their laurels. It will be interesting to see what stays in their catalog and what falls out. I am disappointed that they are virtually dropping all the full stocked Model 77s and some other products while bringing out new stuff.

    Yes, I couldn't agree more, and they dropped the #1 Standard model, one of my favorites.
  • ericbericb Banned Posts: 392 Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Ruger and other gun manufacturers are learning a trick that other industries learned a long time ago. New models mean new sales. Discontinuing stuff makes them a "classic" which increases their value and jacks up the price of new stuff. Not ail products will be winners but they at least will bring someone to the counter to look...

    That is true, plus Ruger has played the " distributor specials " and uncatalogued releases for years, sometimes causing collector frenzies. I had a Speed Six that was rollmarked Service Six, another of those " kick myself for selling". If you look around on the auction sites and big wholesalers you can find all sorts of interesting chambering and specials like #1 .35 Whelen and even a #1 in 30-30. I friend of mine has a .308 SS International that he found on Lipsey's site.
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  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    Here is an email I got from Mike Fifer, CEO of Ruger concerning my question about the reason they dropped the #1 Standard model.


    from Mike Fifer [email protected]
    to "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
    date Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:33 PM
    subject Re: Email our CEO - Comment Submission
    Important mainly because it was sent directly to you.

    hide details May 5

    Dear Mr. Price,

    Your comments are important to us, hence this venue.

    If you want a #1 Standard, you might want to check with Lipseys, whom I believe has a variety of calibers in stock.

    We dropped the rifle from our catalog offerings because the volume – or lack thereof – dictated that change. We have found, however, that the old adage, "absence makes the heart grow fonder," works for items we remove from the catalog. After they stay out for a few years, it can be worth bringing them back for a limited engagement. All the fence-sitters get one more chance to buy the firearm they were thinking so hard about but never taking action on. So you might see the #1 Standard again.

    Best regards,
    Mike Fifer
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