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Nomadac
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U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade
Nomadac
Posts: 902 Senior Member
(Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to
force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By
signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.
Who said Obama is not going to enact Gun Control?
On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to
force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By
signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.
Who said Obama is not going to enact Gun Control?
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I really don't understand how this can be, although I have no doubt that this is the sort of thing that obama would do.
If this really goes through, and the UN decides to disarm American citizens using foreign troops, I can see a bloody mess ensuing. I pray to God that this never happens.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Even if the day came when a treaty banning guns would pass Congress, be signed by the President, and upheld by the SCOTUS ... I don't see how it could be constitutional in any meaningful sense of the term.
"Let us not make [the US Constitution] a blank paper by construction. I say the same as to the opinion of those who consider the grant of the treaty making power as boundless. If it is, then we have no Constitution. If it has bounds, they can be no others than the definitions of the powers which that instrument gives. It specifies and delineates the operations permitted to the federal government, and gives all the powers necessary to carry these into execution. Whatever of the enumerated objects is proper for a law, congress may make the law; whatever is proper to be executed by way of a treaty, the President & Senate may enter into the treaty;" -Thomas Jefferson
btw, your paragraph that starts that way is excellent writing! besides your capitalizing a bunch of words in the first sentence, that is, ha ha. Do you write columns or articles? If you don't, you should. That para shows excellent command of English and good style.
I don't necessarily agree with the tenets of your paragraph but the writing itself is first rate. Congrats. Did you study journalism or do you just write this way by having learned the skill? Regardless, you ought to do some articles (even if the pay is minimal, the name recognition is fun).
Jerry
God have mercy on all of us because if they do this, we will have a revolution that will make 1775 look like a birthday party.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Me too, JerryBobCo, Me too, however the possibility still exist for the Odumbut and the likes of Hilary Clinton, George Soros, Mike Bloomberg, and all the others to just try and pull some BS like this......
http://forums.gunsandammo.com/showthread.php?2319-Just-got-a-call-from-the-NRA&highlight=treaty
http://forums.gunsandammo.com/showthread.php?619-Obama-UN-Gun-Control-Treaty&highlight=pelosi
Here's what's wrong with the uproar over the small arms treaty...
1. The article is from October 14, 2009. Which was a Wednesday.
2. As Wambli has said, 2/3 of the Senate has to approve it. As of July last year, 57 senators oppose the treaty. 57. Out of 100. Heck, just the 47 Republicans alone could block passage. But we have Democrats who oppose the treaty.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty
3. The U.S. Constitution supersedes any and all foreign treaties, per the U.S. Supreme Court Ruling in Reid vs. Covert. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Covert
4. The treaty in question limits the international sale of firearms. If your gun shop isn't shipping to Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Zimbabwe, etc. then it'll still be able to sell to you.
5. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama can sign the treaty because it hasn't even been written yet. They're still working on it. http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/04/03/u-n-friendly-to-u-s-gun-owners/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty
Really folks, we need to read through stuff better, do a little research of our own, and maybe remember the stuff from high school civics classes, lest the casual reader think we are a bunch of reactionaries reacting willy-nilly to fear-mongering and our intense distrust of the administration.
You are right, of course. But when we see a president who seems to be trying to assume dictatorial powers, in defiance of the Constitution that provides for the checks and balances you cite, there is ample cause for concern.
This president routinely uses executive orders and privileges to execute his political will, knowing that it 'won't stand up in court.' He has restructured enforcement agencies by placing political cronies in charge who will not balk at enforcing laws that are in defiance of the Constitution. You are absolutely right in saying the law prevents him, but he does not care what the law says, and the co-equal branches of government are not opposing his tendency to over-reach with nearly enough vigor.
Sorry about not reading through more thoroughly as to the original date. I have had several emails from Sen. Rand Paul on this subject and he is working to prevent any such treaty being approved by the Senate. My apology.
I know the link, Jerry, and that it's old news, yes yes yes I DO know, okay? But I was commenting on the paragraph following. That it is an opinion piece that is NOT from the link and I was telling Nomad that it was nicely written, that he should consider writing articles or blurbs for political sources.
Regardless, Nomad, the paragraph you wrote following the link is well written and shows you have a good journalistic style. I'm wondering whether you've had some journalism experience? Regardless, you should be writing for at least a political blog. I don't necessarily agree with what you wrote totally, but I still think it's good writing.
Do you write other stuff?
bisley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is the exact way I feel at the present.... Our current President, along with the likes of H.Clinton N.Pelosi, etc. etc. throw in a few George Soros, and couple all those inept imbicels into a cess pool of BS called the UN and one doesn't have to have a PHD from Harvard to understand what is currently happening to our Country
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/un-arms-trade-treaty-drafting-starts-next-week.aspx?s=U.N.+Arms+Trade+Treaty+Drafting+Starts+Next+Week&st=&ps=
Sam that was a quote from the email with the (Reuter's) article I received, which is slightly different than the link. Sorry I cannot take credit for it. I often write letters to the editor in my local paper, etc. and post on several other forums. I had some writing courses in college, (don't remember what they were now) and had to write reports in my past work assignments. I helped develop several Dealership Operating Manuals when I worked for TMS. Probably helped in my writing skills, etc.
Ah. Understood. You posted it without attribution so I assumed it was yours. The link itself was neutral news copy, the paragraph was editorial, so I knew it didn't come from the Reuters story.
Anyway...
You got it exactly right, breamfisher. The Rand Paul crowd is trying to stir up pro-gunners by posing as their heros. It's all bull.
I'd like to say if ANY troops try this it'll be a bloody mess but you and I both know that most sheeple will give up their guns int he name of safety just like they bend over and spread em for the TSA and DUI check points mentioned in another thread