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Batman Premier in Colorado, 14 dead many more injured

KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior MemberPosts: 3,249 Senior Member
Early reports are saying that as many as 50 were wounded. The subject was arrested wearing a bulletproof vest and riot gear. May have used tear gas in his attack. He was caught with two firearms and ammunition, told police that he had explosives at his apartment.

Why can't these morons just suck start their pistols and save everyone a lot of heartache and grief?!
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  • 10 AC10 AC Member Posts: 309 Member
    This is a very sad deal. It will only fuel the anti's.
    My prays to the the families of the lost loved ones.
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    It's a horrible shame there wasn't an armed citizen there to stop this as soon as it started happening. :-(

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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    I know I don't go into a Regal theater because they don't allow concealed carry. Don't know if this was a "gun free zone" or not. But it is sad ether way.
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Now they are talking about possible tear gas....
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I know I don't go into a Regal theater because they don't allow concealed carry. Don't know if this was a "gun free zone" or not. But it is sad ether way.

    Well, they must not have had that no-gun zone sign posted by the emergeny exit door he kicked in or else he would not have brought the gun inside...................

    My prayers go out to the victims and their families. Piss on the killer, should take him out and hang him with piano wire today.
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  • ken55ken55 Senior Member Posts: 782 Senior Member
    Updated news (live news running here in Colorado Springs) - they got the shooter, a 24 year old "American" who used some kind of gas or smoke bomb inside the theater as he started shooting. Reports say he had two pistols and an "assault weapon" and may have had a helper inside the theater. Had a gas mask and body armor. Some of the people who were inside said they thought it was part of the movie premiere. Saying now 12 dead, more than 50 wounded, many critical. Some wounded in adjoining theaters from bullets penetrating the walls. FBI saying the shooter is not connected to any known terrorist groups.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,975 Senior Member
    3 month old among the victims.

    This is going to have a horrible fallout
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Regal theatres have a no-gun policy with signs on the ticket window and lobby.

    I guess that's why he used the fire exit. No sign on those doors!

    And despite what happened , a crowded and panicing theatre is not the best place to be throwing shots , even in self defense. I doubt there would be a clear line of fire. Flight would be the better option than standing and waiting for a clear shot. Besides , pull a pistol in that mass panic and another armed patron might take YOU out.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    For a while, I legally carried inside the local Regal as their sign wasn't par with SC code. In SC, you have to have the proper sign or it isn't valid. Simply putting the words "No Weapons" or "No Concealed Weapons" doesn't fly. Guess someone tipped them off. And they haven't seen any of my money since then...
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • ken55ken55 Senior Member Posts: 782 Senior Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    Regal theatres have a no-gun policy with signs on the ticket window and lobby.

    I guess that's why he used the fire exit. No sign on those doors!

    And despite what happened , a crowded and panicing theatre is not the best place to be throwing shots , even in self defense. I doubt there would be a clear line of fire. Flight would be the better option than standing and waiting for a clear shot. Besides , pull a pistol in that mass panic and another armed patron might take YOU out.

    My 16 year-old grandaughter (whom I am raising along with her 13 year-old sister) was at a premiere of the same movie but at a theater complex here in Colorado Springs. She and a bunch of her girlfriends from school love going to these midnight openings, and one or another of us parents always take the group to the complex and hang around in the area until they are inside and then go back and pick them up afterwards. This is going to change all that, for certain.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    Regal theatres have a no-gun policy with signs on the ticket window and lobby.

    I guess that's why he used the fire exit. No sign on those doors!

    And despite what happened , a crowded and panicing theatre is not the best place to be throwing shots , even in self defense. I doubt there would be a clear line of fire. Flight would be the better option than standing and waiting for a clear shot. Besides , pull a pistol in that mass panic and another armed patron might take YOU out.

    My PM9 vs AK/AR wielding body armored gunman???? Don't like those odds.
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  • justin10mmjustin10mm Senior Member Posts: 688 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    My PM9 vs AK/AR wielding body armored gunman???? Don't like those odds.

    Better than throwing popcorn.
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    CNN is now saying 12 dead , 38 injured.

    And of course , the focus of discussion is now on the guns , what they were (AK-47 like weapon?) , how he got them , why people are allowed to own such weapons of mass destruction , yada , yada , yada.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    My PM9 vs AK/AR wielding body armored gunman???? Don't like those odds.


    I don't like those odds ether. But I would rather die after dumping 8 220grain .45acp rounds into said body armor than to die unarmed and defenseless. Obviously dyeing isn't part of my SD plan, but lets face it. If you are in close quarters with a man with a rifle and body armor and he already has the element of surprise, odds aren't very high...
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    This wasn't a Regal, it was a Cinemark. They do however share Regal's stance on guns. Another case of a gun free zone with lots and lots of easy targets...
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,872 Senior Member
    I don't know about SC or CO, but in FL they can only ask you to leave if you come in with a gun. They can only arrest you if you refuse to leave and are therefore trespassing.

    Regarding the SD portion of this incident, I've read he used tear gas. Unless you've had military or LE exposure to that stuff, I'd imagine that it would be hard for most concealed carry holders to deal with the effects of tear gas. Then you have all the people clamoring for the exit and on the floor. Dark theater, so it's hard t make out your target. You might not even know that the shooter is wearing body armor, so how can you really tell if your hits are ineffective or misses? Plus, don't know if he's got on a helmet.

    Yeah, that situation would have a high degree of suckage...
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    In SC, with the proper sign posted, it is a misdemeanor. Without the proper sign posted, it is perfectly legal. But then again, if it is concealed, there isn't an issue unless you get "made."
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,872 Senior Member
    Yep. And somehow I doubt they'll press charges for a concealed handgun carried by a legally licensed carrier who's using in self-defense. Just my thought...
    I'm just here for snark.
  • saxdsaxd Member Posts: 40 Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    CNN is now saying 12 dead , 38 injured.

    And of course , the focus of discussion is now on the guns , what they were (AK-47 like weapon?) , how he got them , why people are allowed to own such weapons of mass destruction , yada , yada , yada.

    Great, the anti's are going to be all over this for days. There is only one thing worse than anti gun owners... Irresponsible gun owners.
    My prayers go to the families of those injured or killed.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    There goes Sam's theory of BG's never wear vests...... Since this is in the PD section, would anyone carry AP rounds if they were available??

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  • wahoo4dbwahoo4db New Member Posts: 8 New Member
    dont think my 38 special plus p is enough for defense with a guy with riot gear on. what caliber do i need??
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,423 Senior Member
    wahoo4db wrote: »
    dont think my 38 special plus p is enough for defense with a guy with riot gear on. what caliber do i need??

    Sure it will...right between the eyes or at least somewhere close. You could always carry a CZ-52. Lot's of hot ammo for that.

    But beyond that.....some sick clown.....just once can't we catch a break and have a gun owner NEXT to the guy when he opens fire?! Just proves there are more sheep than sheepdogs. Sad. My prayers go to the families of those injured or killed.
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,590 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    There goes Sam's theory of BG's never wear vests...... Since this is in the PD section, would anyone carry AP rounds if they were available??

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    I like the gun's capabilities and from those I've seen demo it, it looks like a great shooter. But it's one of the ugliest modern semi-autos on the market..........

    I'm keeping a good thought for the victims of this. Hope the injured all pull through.
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    There goes Sam's theory of BG's never wear vests...... Since this is in the PD section, would anyone carry AP rounds if they were available??

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    No I would not. Now lets not get silly.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,117 Senior Member
    First off...condolences to those victims of this mess...

    News conference update...Apparently the shooter was armed with an AR-15, a Remington 870 and two .40 cal Glocks (one of which was found in his car so they are not sure whether he had it inside the theater or not )

    Once again...a mad man brings firearms to the forefront in the worst possible way....
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  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 902 Senior Member
    I don't like those odds ether. But I would rather die after dumping 8 220grain .45acp rounds into said body armor than to die unarmed and defenseless. Obviously dyeing isn't part of my SD plan, but lets face it. If you are in close quarters with a man with a rifle and body armor and he already has the element of surprise, odds aren't very high...

    I carry a Colt Lt. Wt. Ofc. model w/3" bbl. loaded with Federal Hydra-Shok 230 gr. HP having a muzzle energy of 414 ft. lbs. w/6 rd. mag. w/1 rd. in chamber. I also have 6, 7, and 8 rd. mags available if I wish to carry. I doubt that a shooter that has not been in the Military and experienced someone shooting at them, would be able to stand on a stage and keep shooting if someone started shooting back and hit him in any area. It is one thing to shoot at unarmed people, but when they might be shooting back changes the scenario, IMO.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    The North Hollywood shooters had vests on, and they didn't look to concerned with the police shooting at them.

    If someone is mentally defective enough to shoot a room full of people, I can see them thinking a vest will make them bulletproof.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    I don't know about SC or CO, but in FL they can only ask you to leave if you come in with a gun. They can only arrest you if you refuse to leave and are therefore trespassing.

    Regarding the SD portion of this incident, I've read he used tear gas. Unless you've had military or LE exposure to that stuff, I'd imagine that it would be hard for most concealed carry holders to deal with the effects of tear gas. Then you have all the people clamoring for the exit and on the floor. Dark theater, so it's hard t make out your target. You might not even know that the shooter is wearing body armor, so how can you really tell if your hits are ineffective or misses? Plus, don't know if he's got on a helmet.

    Yeah, that situation would have a high degree of suckage...

    Yeah, making a headshot in the dark thru tear gas is gonna be hard to practice for.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    No I would not. Now lets not get silly.

    I wouldn't either, but there have been several shootings now with the BG wearing vests.

    Not like you can say, '' that won't happen''. It has many times.

    A person should be able to arm themselves to their comfort level.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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