Wambli and the two Jerry's have got it 100% correct.
Culling is not Hunting and never will be.
Yes it does resemble hunting in that it can use the same 'weapons ' like firearms, stalking skills, decoys, calls etc, etc ,etc. But culling suspends some if not all the hunting ethics to achieve a particular result.
I choose who I take with me as culling is not for those with a weak stomach or those who cant see the difference.
The most important part for me is that the culls are carried out with the minimum fuss and exposure.........Publicity is a nightmare to deal with.
Here is the thing. In clubhouse recently a video was posted up of 'human kills' in Afghanistan. I personally have no difficulty with either the posting or the video as I realise there are some things that are borne of necessity.
However, there are those in society who's grasp of reality is different to mine and posting video's of that nature in a public domain like youtube or facebook can and will lead to public opinion being swayed one way or another and create division . Sometimes its better that such activities be kept out of the public domain.
Which leads me to the topic of the media, and the phrase ' The public has a right to know' ..........................Dont get me started on that!!!!
You're right on here Alec. It's all in the presentation. That's what gun people need to realize too. When you use careless language and show the bloody side of things, it can sway those on the fence. Even though regular legal sport hunting does not or should not have a bad side to it. When I taught Hunter Education for the State of Texas, we were told to never call firearms Weapons. That was one big point. That's the point of my whole thread. We know that hogs and other nuisance critters are culled from airplane and helicoptor, but that's not recognized as hunting by ethical hunters. So why do these lame brains put it on TV on a hunting show???
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I just saw a show on Sportsmans Channel that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. How can I explain my feeling here? It's not that I don't like the practice because ferel hogs are overtaking the place, but when Sportsman Channel has a show that features hunting out of helicoptors, that is too much for me. Is there any God but money in this country? There are no ethics anywhere anymore. Anything goes if you have money.
Like I said, I know they do this, but when you have a hunting show that features this as SPORT that has gone too far for me.
I agree with you as long as you're certain that the activity was billed as "sport." What you're describing is actually "culling," as opposed to "fair chase" hunting. If the show you watched failed to make that distinction clear, then shame on them! All hunting suffers in the public consciousness when such blunders are made by the media, or whoever.
I also agree that exteme measures must be taken to cull their numbers, since they do a lot of damage to a lot of farming and animal husbandry livelihoods, but on no account should such activities ever be called hunting.
I agree with you as long as you're certain that the activity was billed as "sport." What you're describing is actually "culling," as opposed to "fair chase" hunting. If the show you watched failed to make that distinction clear, then shame on them! All hunting suffers in the public consciousness when such blunders are made by the media, or whoever.
I also agree that exteme measures must be taken to cull their numbers, since they do a lot of damage to a lot of farming and animal husbandry livelihoods, but on no account should such activities ever be called hunting.
Vic, the show I saw this on didn't really address the issue as such. They just left it hanging. The average moderate who doesn't hunt or shoot could see that and take it the wrong way very easily. And most hunting shows aren't about culling. Culling would be ok on something like History Channel or Discovery, but when it's on the sportsman's channel, if it isn't stated as culling as such, people will take it to be hunting.
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Everything that Bisley posted is spot on for the pigs on our place in Alabama. When they show up somewhere, you usually have only one or two chances at them before they change their patterns. In Alabama we can't hunt anything over feed, not even pigs. We all keep feeders out during the summer to try and improve the protein content of our deer herds diet. Once the hogs find a feeder the deer will stay away from it and we can't shoot the hogs at the feeder. The only way to get the hogs away from it is to not refill it for a while. Then the hogs try to knock it down to get the feed out of it. I tie all my feeders to a tree to avoid this as I've had the legs knocked off of my feeders on several occasions. Even though hogs are getting to be a pretty big problem in Alabama, the state still treats them a little like game animals. In my book, hogs are no better than rats or fire ants. I'm not fond of coyotes either.
These guys feel safe around the feeder and are waiting for it to go off. I found a shed with six points about 15ft from this feeder and had quite a few deer comming to it. Now that the hogs found it, the deer have moved on.
Most of the hogs on the place have gone nocturnal but these youngsters haven't figured it out yet. Hogs rarely show up on the cameras during daylight hours.
My God, that sounds like a buttheaded policy. We can shoot hogs anywhere that's legal to shoot a firearm. The only place that's off limits is within a city limits of a town that has such an ordinance. Hogs are hard enough to sucker in. If we couldn't put out feed, we'd never kill any or we'd kill a lot fewer and they would overrun the whole state.
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It's the same here. It's rare to find a hog just ambling along or grazing in a food plot but you can catch then under a feeder pretty regularly. The state's reasoning is that they don't want people poaching deer under the guise of hog hunting. Essentially they're letting hogs destroy agriculture to protect the deer hunting dollars. Deer hunting produces a huge amount of revenue for Alabama.
It's the same here. It's rare to find a hog just ambling along or grazing in a food plot but you can catch then under a feeder pretty regularly. The state's reasoning is that they don't want people poaching deer under the guise of hog hunting. Essentially they're letting hogs destroy agriculture to protect the deer hunting dollars. Deer hunting produces a huge amount of revenue for Alabama.
Well, going by what I see here in Texas, their thinking is flawed. Texas is overrun with deer and we feed.
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So... if you were going out to go bag a piggie, what would you be using?
Me... PAS13, and a 7.62x54R "Super Varmint" gun, or maybe 308...
definitely nothing less than .30 caliber.
steffen19k, no telling what I will use on hogs on any given day. I have about 12 choices in 10 different cartridges. It depends on what turns my crank that day. I don't really prefer a .22 Centerfire for them, but I have two I will use just for the fun of it. However, I will say the bigger the better is a good rule of thumb. A 308-30-06 either one are good choices. I have an 8x57 that will knock them flat, bang flop dead. My .270-.280 either one will do a great job on them. I have killed one with my .250 Savage that fell right where I shot him at about 120 yards. With hogs as with most animals, shot placement is more important than the cartridge. Choose the rifle that you like to shoot best.
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You're right on here Alec. It's all in the presentation. That's what gun people need to realize too. When you use careless language and show the bloody side of things, it can sway those on the fence. Even though regular legal sport hunting does not or should not have a bad side to it. When I taught Hunter Education for the State of Texas, we were told to never call firearms Weapons. That was one big point. That's the point of my whole thread. We know that hogs and other nuisance critters are culled from airplane and helicoptor, but that's not recognized as hunting by ethical hunters. So why do these lame brains put it on TV on a hunting show???
:popcorn::silly::nono:
Is a 270 under a 30 caliber? :jester:
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I agree with you as long as you're certain that the activity was billed as "sport." What you're describing is actually "culling," as opposed to "fair chase" hunting. If the show you watched failed to make that distinction clear, then shame on them! All hunting suffers in the public consciousness when such blunders are made by the media, or whoever.
I also agree that exteme measures must be taken to cull their numbers, since they do a lot of damage to a lot of farming and animal husbandry livelihoods, but on no account should such activities ever be called hunting.
Vic, the show I saw this on didn't really address the issue as such. They just left it hanging. The average moderate who doesn't hunt or shoot could see that and take it the wrong way very easily. And most hunting shows aren't about culling. Culling would be ok on something like History Channel or Discovery, but when it's on the sportsman's channel, if it isn't stated as culling as such, people will take it to be hunting.
My God, that sounds like a buttheaded policy. We can shoot hogs anywhere that's legal to shoot a firearm. The only place that's off limits is within a city limits of a town that has such an ordinance. Hogs are hard enough to sucker in. If we couldn't put out feed, we'd never kill any or we'd kill a lot fewer and they would overrun the whole state.
Well, going by what I see here in Texas, their thinking is flawed. Texas is overrun with deer and we feed.
steffen19k, no telling what I will use on hogs on any given day. I have about 12 choices in 10 different cartridges. It depends on what turns my crank that day. I don't really prefer a .22 Centerfire for them, but I have two I will use just for the fun of it. However, I will say the bigger the better is a good rule of thumb. A 308-30-06 either one are good choices. I have an 8x57 that will knock them flat, bang flop dead. My .270-.280 either one will do a great job on them. I have killed one with my .250 Savage that fell right where I shot him at about 120 yards. With hogs as with most animals, shot placement is more important than the cartridge. Choose the rifle that you like to shoot best.