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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    If someone / anyone could show Me that expensive Ninjy makeover / treatment made the shotgun more effective, I would do it in a heartbeat, I have shot shotguns with pistol grips, it takes some getting used to, you really appreciate it more in a personal defense type encounter, it is NOT a range (fun) gun.......

    Or the side saddles, when are you ever going to have time to re-load a shotgun under fire ? I never have.... drop the empty shotgun and draw your sidearm......

    OTOH, I do have a "Tactical" snicker :rotflmao: snicker snicker, Mossberg 500 Persuader shotgun with a pistol grip if I feel I need a high capacity magazine.

    At 1 in the morning when dressed in your pajamas, you are going to pull that side arm from where? Unless you take time to get dressed, or have a bedside belt holster rig you could put on well in the dark, you ain't carrying a pistol and long gun at the same time. The idea of all this "ninjy" stuff is that it gives you the option of grabbing 1 thing, and that's it. No fumbling around with anything else, just grab your shotgun and go. That is what adding all this stuff brings to the game that your old patrol gun is lacking. You have your light, spare ammo, and your gun all in one convenient, easy to use package. Think holding a flashlight and running a pistol is hard? Try doing it with a pump gun....
    And remember, with a shotgun, you don't have to reload all at once. You can take a completely empty gun, have it ready to fire in just a few short seconds, then load your magazine back up, while still being able to address specific threats as they appear.
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Hence why I sleep wearing pants so I can stuff a handgun in My pocket and grab a shotgun..... a few cartridges get stuffed in a pocket on the way out just in case...... In any case, I am relying on past personal defense experiences.......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    :blah:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    At least I am not the massive prick you are every day. Go pound sand.

    I wouldn't go so far as to call him massive. More like mediocre.
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Im aspiring to be massive.


    They make a pill for that. :tooth:


    In all seriousness Doc, we KNOW your position. Whether we believe most of the stuff you say or not is up to each member. However, EVERY person that has ever read a defensive shotgun thread on this forum KNOWS that you prefer a plain shotgun with low capacity (everybody also knows that you prefer an old style 1911), it really isn't necessary to point out on every single thread that you've shot lots of folks with your plain 870, your plain .38 revolver in "banana land", your plain 1911, or your plain Glock 19.

    We get it. Seriously.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    I wouldn't go so far as to call him massive. More like mediocre.

    Why, is there another pitcher going around?
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I gotcher banana land right here


    Quite you!

    :roll2:
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    OK, so it's not just me that see's this.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,870 Senior Member
    Nope. It's been commented on before, too....
    I'm just here for snark.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Nope. It's been commented on before, too....

    We aren't still talking about Chris being massive are we?
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,870 Senior Member
    No, but that would be true of Chris, also...

    Also, from what Buffco's told me, he's not massive, but is a massive...

    Edited to add: see, he verifies it! Verbally, but we'll be more than happy to take his word.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,661 Senior Member
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    I disagree on the safety position. You just have to use it a lot, but when dove hunting I always carry chamber-loaded, safety on with my 11-87, and in the latter years I can't remember missing the safety. Maybe the first hunting trip or so, but otherwise I've never had a problem. But I can run that thing blindfolded, in the dark.

    I'm talking tactical shotguns. Not hunting pieces. I have big hands... I have to disengage my grip on the shotgun to manipulate the safety. No good. For tactical situations: safety OFF, chamber EMPTY. Get a 12-lb "police" trigger as well. Very safe like that.
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Sorry guys, not buying into an empty chamber. Mean to tell me you will chamber a shell quietly? Also, you may be quick with a pump, but still, a gun not ready is just a club....
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,110 Senior Member
    Mean to tell me you will chamber a shell quietly?

    Could be they count on the noise to terrify the bad guy into submission....at least that's what I heard at the gunshop
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Agreed that this does not make sense. This same crowd would argue with you that a 1911 that is not carried cocked and locked is just a club.

    Call me old fashioned but I will stick with my Remington 1100 Special Field for all around usefulness, and if I am going to use it for self defense, it will be loaded with the safety on.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Could be they count on the noise to terrify the bad guy into submission....at least that's what I heard at the gunshop

    Why is it that when folks around here can't properly counter a point of discussion, they digress to either silly statements or plain old school house bully tactics ?????

    just sayin..... or askin.... Carry your shotgun however you want, you don't have to defend your position, neither does anyone else, as long as you do it safely.

    And yes, it does have the desired effect, it causes people to beshat themselves...
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I have a Mossberg 500 Mariner stock, no changes. I did try the pistol grip kit it came with, briefly. Then put the regular black synthetic stock back on it.

    BTW, there is a way to make it "Safer" if you you have any concerns (kids/intruders) getting a hold of it before you can. Before you load it, (cycle it a few times and look to ensure it is empty, of course) and just leave it "Cocked" with no round in the chamber. Then load it up, now to chamber a round you have to press a lever on the left side of the receiver, it won't allow you to cycle the pump slide without doing this and someone not familiar with this feature probably couldn't get a round chambered.


    Man, look under 500/590 special purpose shotguns they have a lot to choose from these days.

    http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&section=products

    Mine is like this.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Sorry guys, not buying into an empty chamber. Mean to tell me you will chamber a shell quietly? Also, you may be quick with a pump, but still, a gun not ready is just a club....

    The Army has a safety MSG out on Mossberg 500/590s about them possibly firing if a round is chambered when/if dropped from a certain height and muzzle hitting a hard surface can cause them to accidentally discharge. It was in the PS magazine a couple years ago too. I posted about this on here a forum or two ago.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    And yes, it does have the desired effect, it causes people to beshat themselves...

    It also lets an intruder know that you are awake, armed, and he now has a very good general idea of your exact location based off the noise he just heard. In other words, he now knows exactly what to expect, and where to expect it from.
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    The Army has a safety MSG out on Mossberg 500/590s about them possibly firing if a round is chambered when/if dropped from a certain height and muzzle hitting a hard surface can cause them to accidentally discharge. It was in the PS magazine a couple years ago too. I posted about this on here a forum or two ago.

    I take the Army's safety messages with a grain of salt. Did you also know that it isn't a good idea to use a live .50BMG round as a hammer? Hell, even a Google search of "Stupid Army Safety Bulletins" took me to the Army's Ground Safety Home page! :rotflmao:
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I can't remember the exact height, but when dropped (with a round chambered) muzzle first on a hard surface they will discharge. Who/Why/Where/When it became a concern, I dunno.

    This may happen to Remington's too?????
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,463 Senior Member
    I think asking for Remington track record on ND's would open a box of worms that most here aren't ready to deal with....
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    OK, so it's not just me that see's this.

    Nope.

    I was taught, that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
    But, it seems that some people have no qualms about jumping in and telling you how stupid your idea is, or why you shouldn't be doing what you want to do.


    FWIW, I have another iron in the fire, so to speak. More on that later.
    I haven't decided what to do with the Wingmaster, yet. I have to do something with the finish, it may get re blued.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    You might consider parkerizing it. It's almost as simple as spraying it with a rattle can and it doesn't require a lot of equipment. I parked these guns well over 20 years ago and they have all been handled and fired alot over the years. The 1100 at the top was my open class shotgun when I shot a lot of three gun matches and it has been handled roughly and soaked in sweat and in all honesty, the parkerizing held up better than I thought it would.


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    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Tell me more, Steve. I saw that when you posted the other ones, that's pretty impressive.
    I looked into it, do you have to have a tank and stuff? What's the easy way?
    I sure do like the factory parkerized finish on my other guns, it's durable as heck.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I bought a bottle of this green solution from one of my knife parts suppliers and have parkerized quite a few guns with it. You have to heat it for a certain amount of time but the temp is below boiling so it's nothing like a bluing tank. Ideally a stainless tank would be best but for the long parts like the barrels, I made a wooden box and lined it with a garbage bag. I heated the solution in a stainless pot on my campstove outside and then poured it into the makeshift tank. The required temp wasn't hot enough to melt the bag and the required soaking time wasn't long enough to where the solution cooled down too much to work. It does work much better if you bead blast the parts first. I know a few guys that park their stuff first even if they're going to duracoat it just to get a better surface for the duracoat to bond to. The 1911 and the Ruger have been at the last two SE shoots so a few people on here may have handled them.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Thanks, man. I knew you had an angle.

    So, you keep re using the same solution? I like that idea.

    The finish on my 11-87 is getting thin, too...
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "But, it seems that some people have no qualms about jumping in and telling you how stupid your idea is, or why you shouldn't be doing what you want to do. "

    I always rub people the wrong way, when I comment, it is not to say other people are stupid, it is to say, don't be stupid like Me......
    Most firearms work well as designed, do what you want to do, but there is often a cheaper and better way to do the same thing.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,446 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »

    I always rub people the wrong way, when I comment, it is not to say other people are stupid, it is to say, don't be stupid like me.

    I can understand and relate to that. I was last in line when they were handing out tactfulness. Seems there was none left when my turn came up.

    That being said, I will voice my opinion and experience without remorse. Take it or leave it, I'll hold no punches.

    I value others opinions when garnered from experience and not theory. Theory can pound sand in the face of boots on the ground experience.

    As to defensive shotguns, I started simple and when pieces parts were being tossed at me, went so far space age as to be an astronaut. Then, taking a step back.......I realized I'd answered a question that hadn't been asked. So, I started yanking parts back off and went back to simple. Why? I flat didn't need all the excess crap.

    There are a few alterations that stayed and I feel are useful, depending on need.

    Weapon Mounted Light - I will always advocate a weapon mounted light for anything other than concealed carry. They are just too darn useful. Period! Not always needed, but when they are........sure beats pulling a flashlight out of ones butt.

    Side Saddle - Yep, there are very few situations where more ammo is a bad idea. Again, not always needed, but when it is............it's much better than curse words and a harsh stare.

    Ghost Ring Sights - Of course! Besides, I'm a slug kinda guy. I've seen the result of buck shot and I've seen the result of slugs. I'll take slugs, thank you. GRS give you the option to use both. A bead pretty much renders your shotgun exactly that.......a SHOTgun. Too many variables to try and use a bead sight with slugs for anything other than in your face distance. With GR sights, you can use buck or slugs as needed.

    All that being said, I have one shotgun set up to what I consider "perfect" standards. Another one is still spaceage but soon to be stripped down. A third is still about as plane Jane as can be except for a side saddle. That is simply because of it's history and the fact that there aren't many options for that model.

    I've run the gamut of shotgun accessories. The three mentioned above have stood the real world test and get a thumbs up from me. Everything else is bling.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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