Selling used tires?

shotgunshooter3

I am considering selling the P235/75r/15 BFG AT tires on my Nissan Frontier, because I feel that they are the culprit for the horrible gas mileage I've been getting from my truck in the past year or so (19MPG highway, I used to get 26MPG highway). I might as well be driving a 2/4 ton pickup for what I'm getting right now.

How do I go about selling used tires? Is there even a market for same? I figure these tires have about 40K left in them, and my primary market would be Jeep Wrangler owners who want AT tires but don't want to "go big."

Is this something I could feasibly do over Craigslist so I can recoup some of my costs before putting street tires back on, or am I going to have to just bite the bullet for expenses of new tires before these wear out?

SirGeorgeKillian

Check your local flea market. Also, tires with tread left a tire place will often give you some cash for. Don't expect over 100 or so for the set....

LMLarsen

Matt, you'd probably do better locally than on Craigslist, especially if they've still got good tread. We have quite a few used tire shops in this area that cater to the Latino populace, and they seem to do pretty well.

bullsi1911

craigslist

DoctorWho

Craigs list is best for used tires, the service station I work at deals in used tires, but they would not give anyone a good deal trading in used tires.......

Teach

Be sure to mark the tires with a paint stick or something similar as to direction of rotation. Reversing the pull on a radial tire that's been on a driving axle can cause premature tread belt separation. The next owner will appreciate your help on this when he doesn't get a disentigrated tire in the first few miles.
Jerry

DoctorWho

I did not know this, thanks for the information Teach !!!!!

That explains some of the destroyed tires I have seen...

wddodge

Teach wrote: »

Be sure to mark the tires with a paint stick or something similar as to direction of rotation. Reversing the pull on a radial tire that's been on a driving axle can cause premature tread belt separation. The next owner will appreciate your help on this when he doesn't get a disentigrated tire in the first few miles.
Jerry

Teach, That was true when radial tires first came out. Now the tire and vehical manufacturers both recommend crossing the tires when rotating.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43

Denny

Teach

Sorry, Denny- - - -I'll take 50 years of personal experience, since long before radial tires were in common use, over some blurb fron Tire Rack. I''ve used a tire truing machine to cut down tires and document tread belt breakup in a test involving over 100 tires over a 5-year period to support my opinion. Where are the results of your research?

I also worked with the research and development department of Armstrong Tire Company for 5 years, and their findings matched the ones I got when running my own research with my high school auto mechanics students.
Jerry

DoctorWho

Teach, I am smart enough to listen to you on all matters !!!!

Thanks again !!!!!!

wddodge

Teach, I guess I just have to go with my experience as an auto mechanic for 35 years. I never used a truing machine. I'm of the opinion that if a tire is out of round I'd rather just replace it. I don't want a quarter inch less tread on one side of the tire.

Sorry about the blurb from Tire rack. It was the first that I could find that would let me copy it. I tried to get it from the Chrysler site but they got it copyproof I guess.

Denny

Teach. I just read your edit. Wasn't Armstrong bought out by Pirelli (I think) back in the mid to late 80's?? If so, I think radial tire manufacturing technology has improved since then.

I'm really not trying to argue. I just know the way it is done now.

Denny

DoctorWho

I just mount balance and sell used tires, beyond that, I need to learn as much as I can......

Teach

The damage is progressive, starting with small breaks in the tread belt after the direction of rotation is changed. It only happens on a tire that has been used on a driving axle. Once the direction of pull is reversed, the breakup of the belt section of the tire continues, first creating a need to rebalance the tire frequently. Lumps in the tread develop, followed by separation of the plies, and eventually the loss of the tread unless the tire gets worn to the point of needing replacement before a complete failure happens. Tires NOT subjected to driving forces do not develop these problems. The tire truing machine was left over from the bias-ply days, and it was only used to remove the tread to access the belt section of the tire for inspection. Our independent research at the high school, and the parallel project at Armstrong was a duplicate of a test run by Hunter Engineering in St. Louis, the wheel balancer and alignment equipment manufacturer. I first became aware of the history of the study when I attended Hunter's Master Wheel Alignment school in the mid-1980's. The research at Armstrong was done in the early 1980's at their Nashville Tennessee plant using tires that had been run under tightly controlled test conditions at their test track in Amarillo Texas and shipped to the main plant in Nashville for destructive disassembly and documentation. I repeated the test about 10 years later using high school students as part of my auto mechanics program, and evaluating tires from several teachers' cars who volunteered to participate in the program. We ran fundraisers to replace their tires partway through their normal lifespan and dismantle them for inspection. The results of all three testing programs were remarkably similar.

Believe what you choose- - - - -I have proof.
Jerry

wddodge

I'm not arguing what you are saying. That is the way it was 20-25 years ago. Tire technology has changed since then. I was raised on points and condensor ignition systems. Now I have to have a darned laptop just to see if a radio works. I can't say that I like it that much but that's the way it is.

I found this on the BFGoodrich tire site. I know, it's another blurb......

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tires-101/tire-care/tire-maintenance/tire-rotation.page

Denny

DoctorWho

"The results of all three testing programs were remarkably similar.

Believe what you choose- - - - -I have proof.
Jerry

Jerry, I have seen tires come apart and I did not know why, this makes sense and I will pay more attention to this from now on !!!!

Thanks again for the information !!!

jbp-ohio

I've crossed all of my tires and never lost one to anything but normal tread wear. I rotate at 5000 miles when I change oil. Google tire rotation under 'images'. Everyone crosses tires (that don't have directional tread).




80,000+ miles on the original Firestones on my Ranger w/ 10,000 mile rotation. I also rotated in the spare.

orchidman

I rotate my tyres every day.............havent had any problems yet.

Big Chief

Teach wrote: »

Be sure to mark the tires with a paint stick or something similar as to direction of rotation. Reversing the pull on a radial tire that's been on a driving axle can cause premature tread belt separation. The next owner will appreciate your help on this when he doesn't get a disentigrated tire in the first few miles.
Jerry

So when you have you tires rotated, no worries because they are still on the rim and they can't screw that up? Or can the Wal-mart pit crew find a way?

Big Chief

Hey Orchid Man, do tires/tyres down yonder wear differently cause y'all drive on the wrong side of the road. Seriously, I'm just curious.

I mean instead of taking a curve with the passenger side hugging the side of the road, the drivers side does. Things like that. Inquiring minds wanna know :tooth:

Now, I'm confused, because I forgot your steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car?????

orchidman

Big Chief wrote: »

Hey Orchid Man, do tires/tyres down yonder wear differently cause y'all drive on the wrong side of the road. Seriously, I'm just curious.

I mean instead of taking a curve with the passenger side hugging the side of the road, the drivers side does. Things like that. Inquiring minds wanna know :tooth:

Now, I'm confused, because I forgot your steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car?????

Actually, they do wear differently in my view.......

I have owned Jeeps since 1996. The front left tyre always wears out before any of the others despite 'tyre rotation'.

I have been told that this is due to American vehicles being built for left hand drive conditions with a slight bias on the suspension/springs to take into account the weight of the driver being on the left and the fact that your roads are cambered to the right.
When they are made for export to countries that drive on the correct side of the road, they use the same components as for your domestic market. Transferring the weight of the driver to the right hand side and the lessening of weight on the left, coupled with the left side road camber causes the left front tyres to chew out faster on the outside edge.
When you take into account the 'Coriolis effect' and the natural tendency for physical effects to reverse themselves in the southern hemisphere ( for eg, bathwater draining the opposite direction) then you will clearly see that this is not only possible but highly probable.

In addition, studies and market research have shown that males in the southern hemisphere traditionally 'dress' to the opposite side when compared to males in the northern hemisphere and that females 'monthly cycles' run in reverse........... which is why Australian women are in crappy moods for 3 weeks out of four.
In NZ we dont have the latter problem due to the large population of women we import from the northern hemisphere.
Another statistic to support this is the high numbers of left leaning politicians in our political system but that is to a large extent, negated and balanced by the number of progressive Libs in the northern hemisphere.

It is an interesting topic to discuss, perhaps it deserves its own thread..........one that is 'caca' from the very first post........................

wddodge

orchidman wrote: »

Actually, they do wear differently in my view.......

I have owned Jeeps since 1996. The front left tyre always wears out before any of the others despite 'tyre rotation'.

I have been told that this is due to American vehicles being built for left hand drive conditions with a slight bias on the suspension/springs to take into account the weight of the driver being on the left and the fact that your roads are cambered to the right.
When they are made for export to countries that drive on the correct side of the road, they use the same components as for your domestic market. Transferring the weight of the driver to the right hand side and the lessening of weight on the left, coupled with the left side road camber causes the left front tyres to chew out faster on the outside edge.

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Just for the heck of it.... Take a look at your front springs and see if there is a plastic tape looking tag wrapped around one of the coils. If there is, see if the three letter printing is still readable. If the tags on both front springs are readable I can look them up and get the weight ratings of the front springs. Then we can see it there is any hot air involved with this theory....

Denny

Big Chief

Well, thanks for clearing that up fer me orchidman, at least, the tyre part. :tooth:

Gene L

It seems Teach and Dodge aren't arguing the same thing. Teach is talking about the rotational spin of tires (I think) not rotating tires, which I think we all agree on. Put an arrow on the way the tire is supposed to spin, right?

Others are talking about rotating tires so the wear evens out. At least that's the way I read it.

Teach doesn't like being contradicted, that's for sure.

Big Chief

I've never bought any used tires and don't plan to. Might be like used condoms, never know what that rubber has been through!

SirGeorgeKillian

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Gene L wrote: »

It seems Teach and Dodge aren't arguing the same thing. Teach is talking about the rotational spin of tires (I think) not rotating tires, which I think we all agree on. Put an arrow on the way the tire is supposed to spin, right?

Others are talking about rotating tires so the wear evens out. At least that's the way I read it.

Teach doesn't like being contradicted, that's for sure.

Right, but when you x your tires, the rotation changes.

gator

SirGeorgeKillian wrote: »

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Right, but when you x your tires, the rotation changes.

Nope......now that I think on it more it does.

Gene L

SirGeorgeKillian wrote: »

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Right, but when you x your tires, the rotation changes.

Not unless you take the tires off the wheels and change them around.

Buford

Gene L wrote: »

Not unless you take the tires off the wheels and change them around.

Are you sure?

jbp-ohio

Guy that runs the shop I where I buy tires said if you mount/ unmount tires to many times, it is hard to keep a good seal, and you have to add air every couple days.....

Gene L

Buford wrote: »

Are you sure?

Not sure, but if you put an arrow on your tire in the direction of forward rotation when the wheel is rolling, and you X the switch, is the arrow then pointing to the rear?

Buford

Take a bottle and mark an arrow on it. Roll the bottle in a forward motion watching the arrow. Now turn the bottle as if doing a tire rotation, roll the bottle in the same direction, what do you get?