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Loooking for a new CC gun.

QuinianQuinian Senior MemberPosts: 707 Senior Member
Currently I carry a Kahr K40. I picked this gun because it has no safety, no external hammer, and it's DA only. So every shot is the same and there's no switches to fumble with, nothing to get caught on your shirt.

My problem with it, is that it's super heavy. I was considering the Ruger LC9 w/ built in laser but thought you guys might have a better idea. Need something small and light but not too small. The wifes Bersa 380 thunder is too small for my monkey hands and who wants to carry 380 anyway :tooth:

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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    Well....two options struck me right off. Both still in .40 S&W. The Walther PPS and the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield. The Smith is 8 ounces lighter, and the Walther 7 ounces lighter. The Walther has less controls, but I like the Smith personally.

    http://www.impactguns.com/walther-pps-40-32in-black-wap10002-698958029831.aspx

    http://www.impactguns.com/smith-wesson-mp-shield-40-sw-compact-180021-022188147209.aspx


    Otherwise both are available in 9mm if you want to change or go with the Ruger.
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  • wagnerwagner Member Posts: 40 Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    Well....two options struck me right off. Both still in .40 S&W. The Walther PPS and the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield. The Smith is 8 ounces lighter, and the Walther 7 ounces lighter. The Walther has less controls, but I like the Smith personally.

    http://www.impactguns.com/walther-pps-40-32in-black-wap10002-698958029831.aspx

    http://www.impactguns.com/smith-wesson-mp-shield-40-sw-compact-180021-022188147209.aspx


    Otherwise both are available in 9mm if you want to change or go with the Ruger.

    +1 on the Walther PPS. I own one in .40 and am totally in love with it. Striker fire, no external safety, incredibly simple (takedown is identical to Glock). The one element that might take a little getting used to is the *European-style* mag release, an ambi lever in the trigger guard. Some love it, some hate it. I love it, as it's quick and requires no shift of hand position. Really only took me a few minutes at the range to get used to it. The fit/finish/quality of the gun are ridiculous.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    I like the idea of the Walther. I have the P22 so I'm used to the mag release. It is odd but I kinda like it. I'll have to go see if my LGS has one for me to play with

    ETA only gun I refuse is any more with that stupid middle of the grip mag release. My S&W 22a has that button dead center of the grip so the meat from my finger ends up dropping the mag for me when I don't want it to.
  • LerchessLerchess Senior Member Posts: 550 Senior Member
    I like the Beretta Nano. I, too, have the ogre hands and I shoot it well. Its worth looking at.
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    I'd go bigger...as in caliber. Hidden behind this KelTec PF9 is a .45acp!

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    It's Springfield's new XDs

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    It's 1 inch thick or rather it's 7/8ths inch thick and the slide release and takedown lever make it 1" thick.

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    It holds 5+1 and is very accurate! Handles the recoil of .45 acp better than the PF9 does 9mm.

    People talk about magazine capacity as if to have less than 10 rounds is asking for failure. Yet time and time and time again, the citizen shooter, even that granny who faced 5 armed thugs/robbers, only have to fire one or two shots and it's over.

    This is the gun for me. And, if you absolutely have to have more ammo, they make a 7 round mag for it to give you 7+1.

    The fiber in the front sight is buried in a groove that completely protects the fiber even from the top. If the worst should happen and the fiber is damaged, the rear of the sight still provides a full sized post so the sights are still intact.

    They have pretty much thought of everything on this pistol.

    The trigger has been improved greatly and takes away all the complaints from the Glock crowd who claimed the XD (and rightly so) did not have as good a trigger as the Glock.

    This is a great carry piece.
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • BigboreshooterBigboreshooter Member Posts: 155 Member
    Take a close look at the Walther PPS. It has good sights, a great trigger, and is so thin and light that I sometimes literally forget I'm carrying it.

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    "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I carry a K-40 when by back hurts because it is so much lighter than my XD45 Compact, so I naturally don't think you have a problem.

    But, I do understand that people are always hunting a 'better' carry combo, because I'm buying an XDs like Dan's, as soon as they start showing up, locally.
  • U TU T Member Posts: 423 Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I'm buying an XDs like Dan's, as soon as they start showing up, locally.

    I'm thinking I might want one too (xds 45)! I need to get one in my hands and see how it feels. I have an xdm 40 compact, but it's not small enough.
  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    I really love my CZ 75 P-01 Compact in 9mm. You probably will have a hard time finding one to look at as for some reason dealers don't seem to keep them in their gun cases. I love mine and swear by it. I swear by it not at it. Plus it carrys 14 rounds which gives me a feeling of comfort in case there is more than one bad guy lurking out there. Did I mention that it is very accurate. Well it is. Thanks for letting me chime in. My all time favorite is my Sig Sauer P-226 Platnum Elite but I must admit it is kinda big and heavy for concealed carry.
  • NCShooterNCShooter New Member Posts: 21 New Member
    Glock 26. Thin, light, works every time with any ammo. Use the mag with Pierce extension and even big hands get a secure grip.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    Walther is gonna be smaller than a Bersa. If you like the K40 then why not..........

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    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • RiflemannRiflemann Member Posts: 269 Member
    I am number two on a waiting list for a new M&P40 Sheild. There were 21 others ahead of me until I paid half down, the dealer said lots of people want one but the other 21 didn't want to put money down. I asked if I paid for the whole thing if I would move up more and he said nope the next one to come in is for his kid, than I get the one after that.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,575 Senior Member
    I'm a huge Kahr fan. I'd have to say, that if you like it, switch to a poly framed Kahr of your choosing.
    Aside from that, the Shield seems to be one heck of a pistol. I really liked the one I handled.
    The XDs looks pretty great, too.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    For some stupid reason I never considered the tuppaware Kahr. I believe that's the P40
  • NCShooterNCShooter New Member Posts: 21 New Member
    Kahr has a big devoted following. Must be for good reasons. I went through the search you are on for a couple of years, still not totally complete. I tried a Kahr 9mm with 3" barrel. It had frequent nose dive jams, which are not easily fixed under stress. There are a number of Kahr related sights addressing this not uncommon problem. I tried everything and just could not get it to be reliable enough for me to carry. Sold it at a loss, with full disclosure, and moved on. Looked at a Kimber Solo until I saw it had ammo sentitivity concerns as identified by Kimber. Bought a Beretta Nano. FTE about 2 - 5% of the time. Sent it back and sold it upon return, at a loss, with full disclosure. Looked at Walther, noticed the owner's manual mentioned ammo sensitivity - looked away. I realize that no gun is totally mechanically error proof but I don't want a carry gun with known sensitivities or problems. If my life might depend upon it, I want the most dead nuts reliable gun I can afford.

    Some guns with sensitivities might lose them after a couple of thousand rounds. I don't like that approach. My carry guns do not get shot that amount. Couple hundred rounds of range ammo to break it in, 20 of self defense ammo to be sure it works ok and then maybe a box or two throughout the year just because. Besides, if the issues go away after 1000 rounds are they completely gone? Might it return when you least can afford it? Why put yourself in that position? I had a Glock 26 that shot everything, every time, never failed and was very accurate. I had sold it on my quest for a slightly thinner gun. Bought another one after the string of failures noted above. I absolutely trust it will not fail me.

    Just my thoughts of course, others have very different opinions.

    - Jay
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I've had 4 Kahrs, two plastic and the two steel K series that I still have. The only one that had any problems was the PM-9, and they all disappeared before the recommended 200 round break-in was complete. Neither of the K's have ever failed to feed a round, but I don't know how many were fired before I got them.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I've had 4 Kahrs, two plastic and the two steel K series that I still have. The only one that had any problems was the PM-9, and they all disappeared before the recommended 200 round break-in was complete. Neither of the K's have ever failed to feed a round, but I don't know how many were fired before I got them.

    I got this K40 used. I've shot the heck out of it because at one point I found a great deal on .40 ammo and picked up a ton of it. Never once had any issues with it. It's just heavy. Maybe all I need is to find a better way of adjusting my belt.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    REDDEVIL wrote: »
    You know darn well you're reasonig yourself into a new gun if a belt adjustment would do the trick.:tooth:

    Well in all honesty what happens is, unless it's so tight I always feel like I gotta go, when I stand up the right side of my pants is sagging to the point the top of my butts hanging out. You can't see that for the shirt but it feels odd anyway. At my car, adjusting isn't a problem but if that happens while walking any adjustment would either expose it or make it print really bad so my only option is to sag for a while
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    No suggestions of a Kahr CW40?
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Quinian wrote: »
    Well in all honesty what happens is, unless it's so tight I always feel like I gotta go, when I stand up the right side of my pants is sagging to the point the top of my butts hanging out. You can't see that for the shirt but it feels odd anyway. At my car, adjusting isn't a problem but if that happens while walking any adjustment would either expose it or make it print really bad so my only option is to sag for a while

    You can try a pair of Perry type suspenders, worn under your shirt. Although the adjusting 'buckles' will sometimes print slightly, through a light tee shirt, nobody ever seems to notice. People really don't pay much attention to such things (on men), unless you have said or done something that makes them want to try to 'make' you.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    You can try a pair of Perry type suspenders, worn under your shirt. Although the adjusting 'buckles' will sometimes print slightly, through a light tee shirt, nobody ever seems to notice. People really don't pay much attention to such things (on men), unless you have said or done something that makes them want to try to 'make' you.

    lol bisley I already need a cane as it is might as well go with the candy stripe suspenders over my shirt, embrace the old man make over in my 20s and be done with it.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Quinian wrote: »
    lol bisley I already need a cane as it is might as well go with the candy stripe suspenders over my shirt, embrace the old man make over in my 20s and be done with it.

    Well, I didn't truly embrace the 'old man' look until my late fifties, but when I finally did, it set me free, and I ain't going back. :tooth:

    My point in telling you to wear them under your shirt has nothing to do with vanity, though. If you wear the suspenders on the outside, you have to tuck your shirt tail in, which makes it harder to conceal, and harder to draw. I do that, sometimes, but it is not my preferred carry method. Since I mostly wear blue jeans and an untucked tee shirt, a comfortable IWB with a good belt and suspenders underneath is the best method I've found, though it is still far from perfect.
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