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Previews for NBC's "Revolution"

BigslugBigslug Senior MemberPosts: 8,262 Senior Member
Fifteen years after the meltdown of civilization and they seem to be out of functioning guns and ammo already.

Anybody else find this greatly amusing?
WWJMBD?

"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,925 Senior Member
    Keep in mind that unlike many of the members on here, not a large percentage of people have a clue about reloading.

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Even fewer know about using "rocks what'll spark"!
    Jerry
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I think it is safe to say a large amount of shooters do not re-load ammo.

    Or know the joys of shooting a traditional flintlock rifle.... dueling pistols.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Even fewer know about using "rocks what'll spark"!
    Jerry

    I thought it was the steel that sparked, not the rocks.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    The flint is what sparks, I learned that trying to light acetylene, when the flint is gone...... :deadhorse:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,713 Senior Member
    I really do need a crossbow. They look like a lot of fun.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    What sparks in a torch lighter is iron pyrites, like a cigarett lighter.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    The flint is what sparks, I learned that trying to light acetylene, when the flint is gone...... :deadhorse:

    In a flintlock, the flint shaved bits off the frizzen...this is why flints need to be kept sharp and properly shaped...also this is why you find frizzens that have been re-soled, or re-faced...
    the "flint" you're talking about in a torch lighter isn't the same thing...
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,969 Senior Member
    You would think they could have made a rudimentary lathe by now like in GalaxyQuest. :deadhorse:
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  • temmitemmi Member Posts: 230 Member
    How many people could make black powder?

    Snake
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    temmi wrote: »
    How many people could make black powder?

    Snake

    Anybody with a basic knowledge of chemistry- - - -it's simpler than cooking methamphetamine, and there's a lot of mental giants doing that!
    Jerry
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I recall seeing fire starters that used a flintlock mechanism to light some tinder.....

    I really want a traditional flintlock smoke pole...... and a brace of flintlock pistols........

    BP is indeed loads of fun...

    A SxS flintlock shotgun would be great too....
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    Kids were making it when I was in school, before you could buy it most places. It wasn't corned powder, just dust powder. Like in a firecracker.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Good ole cracker powder !!! LOL !!! :yesno:
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    A bag of nitrate fertilizer, a bag of charcoal briquettes, and some sulfur from the drug store, plus a little tinkering- - - - -BOOM time!
    Jerry
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    I haven't seen the show, but suspect it's a ripoff of the successful movie: "The Hunger Games," but without the budget or desire to train the hero girl with a long bow. Conceivable, a person could make a crossbow, especially a compound crossbow, but just about anyone with a pocket knife and an axe can make a longbow.

    It appears to be set in a dystopian future, except not as far and a lot more dystopian in the future as in "The Hunger Games."
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  • temmitemmi Member Posts: 230 Member
    Of course the problem 15 years after "the collapse of civilization" is that you can't just go to the ag supply store and drug store to pick up your saltpeter and sulfur (presumably anyone could produce charcoal). You'd have to have a source for the base chemicals. No doubt someone, somewhere would have access to decent quantities of the stuff, but that would also make them very powerful and there's nothing saying they'd be willing to share the source of their power with others.

    As for ammo supplies, depends how violent and crazy things get. While my own personal ammo supply may easily last me that long under normal conditions, but no telling how fast it would go shared with a larger group that had to worry about defending ourselves regularly from other groups intent on doing us harm. In terms of reloading the limiting factor is likely to be primers. Unless you've got mass quantities of primers you're going to be back to smoke poles eventually.

    My point too

    Snake
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Of course the problem 15 years after "the collapse of civilization" is that you can't just go to the ag supply store and drug store to pick up your saltpeter and sulfur (presumably anyone could produce charcoal). You'd have to have a source for the base chemicals.

    Research a little Confederate history- - - - -a lot of the powder made by the south in the latter part of the war used a nitrate base made from evaporating "night water" contributed by the ladies of the big southern cities. When a rebel soldier sniffed the muzzle of his rifle, he was thinking about where the smell came from!
    Jerry
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I haven't seen the show, but suspect it's a ripoff of the successful movie: "The Hunger Games," but without the budget or desire to train the hero girl with a long bow. Conceivable, a person could make a crossbow, especially a compound crossbow, but just about anyone with a pocket knife and an axe can make a longbow.

    It appears to be set in a dystopian future, except not as far and a lot more dystopian in the future as in "The Hunger Games."

    In all fairness Gene, The Hunger Games is a direct rip of a japanese tale called "Battle Royale" :). I've read both and liked HG better though.

    As far as the show goes, IMO looks like they are trying to combine and rip off "Jericho" and "Falling Skies"
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    temmi wrote: »
    My point too

    Snake


    Even Captain Kirk was able to improvise black powder when he was fighting that alligator guy...
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  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Keep in mind that unlike many of the members on here, not a large percentage of people have a clue about reloading.

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    And????...........They should at least know of old Uncle Domino's theory of weapons evolution.................Ken
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,398 Senior Member
    Eggs are high in sulfur. Where do you think all that SO2 comes from when you eat all them pickled eggs? :silly: :vomit:
    Like Teach said, the nitrates can be obtained from urine. If you've ever mucked out a few barn stalls, you probably noticed a yellowish white powder substance low on the walls. That's nitrates from the urine of the animals that splashed on the walls and was left when the liquid dried.
    Charcoal making is a no brainer.

    Gunpowder can also be made from sugar, charcoal, and potassium nitrate.

    I think the premise of the show is pretty much out there in La La Land. The only way to efficiently disable all the electrical devices on the planet would be a huge EMP across the whole planet. At present, that could only be caused by detonation of a huge amount of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere; that would be kind of noticeable. D/C auto generators could still be used to provide D/C current, and auto alternators could provide A/C if the diode bridge was removed. Water and wind power could be used to provide power for machinery, and steam engines aren't all that hard to make from internal combustion engines. Makes me think all those peeps were kind of stoopid.
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  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    add me to the list of stoopid ones then tennmike cause I didn't know ANY of that
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    Of course the problem 15 years after "the collapse of civilization" is that you can't just go to the ag supply store and drug store to pick up your saltpeter and sulfur (presumably anyone could produce charcoal). You'd have to have a source for the base chemicals. No doubt someone, somewhere would have access to decent quantities of the stuff, but that would also make them very powerful and there's nothing saying they'd be willing to share the source of their power with others.

    You have GOT to be kidding Alpha...As long as you have animals, and as long as they (and you) urinate...you have the nitrates to make black powder...
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,398 Senior Member
    Quinian wrote: »
    add me to the list of stoopid ones then tennmike cause I didn't know ANY of that

    :spittingcoffee: Nah, you aren't. I'm just old and cursed with an insatiable curiosity. And a good memory.

    'Nother thing I just remembered. A direct injection diesel engine requires no electrical power to start or run. Just need an efficient means to crank it over to start it. Run it on corn or soybean oil. But the steam engines would be easier to build/maintain.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Diesels will also run on alcohol, and the technology to make that stuff has been around for several millenia. Of course, some of the guys I know would be glad to push the car or pull the plow- - - -just keep 'em supplied with enough moonshine!
    Jerry
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,495 Senior Member
    So, if the show's premise were true....

    If one had basic knowledge of firearms maintenance, building, and some handloading and bullet casting abilities, they could be well set as an important person in this post-apocalyptic landscape?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • QuinianQuinian Senior Member Posts: 707 Senior Member
    So, if the show's premise were true....

    If one had basic knowledge of firearms maintenance, building, and some handloading and bullet casting abilities, they could be well set as an important person in this post-apocalyptic landscape?

    possibly but you forget.. if everyones "stoopid" and no macherinery is running and almost no one has a gun, any shot is going to instantly make you a target because everyone who hears it will want to kill you for what you've got. Granted that'd be pretty hard considering you've got the gun and they don't but you'll run outa ammo some time and you've gotta sleep at some point.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    You have GOT to be kidding Alpha...As long as you have animals, and as long as they (and you) urinate...you have the nitrates to make black powder...

    Be careful how loud you say that Jay - Sarah Brady will try to make it illegal to pee!
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    As for ammo supplies, depends how violent and crazy things get.

    I'm figuring that the rural Midwest areas that are filled with "Shootin' Folk" would be better supplied and less likely to need to tap deeply into that supply than the urban folks would. A lot of these folks have ammo supplies for years of normal playing around - in crisis mode, they'd be set for decades.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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