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Does Anyone Own a 357 Sig for Concealed Carry???

ChuckXXChuckXX BannedPosts: 103 Member
Does anyone out there own a 357 Sig for concealed carry???? I called the guys at Customer Service at Sig yesterday and they said I could buy a Sig Sauer P-226 Platnum Elite in the 40 Cal, then spend another $159.00 for a 357 sig barrel and just drop it in the gun and it will work. So in other words you end up with a 40 cal and a 357 Sig all in one pistol. What do you guys think??? I spoke to two different guys in customer service and they both "verified" that it will work. I didn't know you could do that but thats what they are telling me. Does anyone carry a sig 357 for concealed carry???? I already own a P-226 platnum elite in "9mm". I must admit I love it dearly but it is just a "tad big" for concealed carry. But it can be done with the right holster. Right now I have a Galco. Would love to hear your thoughts. Also is there a load out there in 357 sig that "WON'T GO THRU THE BAD GUY"???? Iam always concerned about innocent bystanders.
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Does anyone out there own a 357 Sig for concealed carry???? I called the guys at Customer Service at Sig yesterday and they said I could buy a Sig Sauer P-226 Platnum Elite in the 40 Cal, then spend another $159.00 for a 357 sig barrel and just drop it in the gun and it will work. So in other words you end up with a 40 cal and a 357 Sig all in one pistol. What do you guys think??? I spoke to two different guys in customer service and they both "verified" that it will work. I didn't know you could do that but thats what they are telling me. Does anyone carry a sig 357 for concealed carry???? I already own a P-226 platnum elite in "9mm". I must admit I love it dearly but it is just a "tad big" for concealed carry. But it can be done with the right holster. Right now I have a Galco. Would love to hear your thoughts. Also is there a load out there in 357 sig that "WON'T GO THRU THE BAD GUY"???? Iam always concerned about innocent bystanders.

    Doesn't have to be a Sig pistol. Bar-Sto makes conversion barrels for XD's and Glocks. I've seen them for M&P's too.......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    I would be interested as to why you would want to do this? Better penetration? There's some fine .40 ammo out there.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    Hi DanS; It would be my own "personal definition" of the ultimate stopping power I guess. I have 5 9mm's and just would like to have "one" pistol that is kinda the ultimate.
  • DogwalkDogwalk New Member Posts: 10 New Member
    I have a Sig 229 in 357 Sig and love it. I used to carry it in a pancake otw but have since switched
    to a Glock 19 9mm. The balance and weight of the 229 really is a plus. I had a 226 years ago, and
    you're correct about it being a bit large for ccw. Then again, it's what you are comfortable with and
    train with. With a double action pistol I often just put it inside my waste band and forget about a
    holster. The 125 gr bullets are the most popular but they also come in 147 gr. The hp bullets will
    be your best choice and not to worry about through and through. It can happen but don't dwell on
    it. Good luck, dogwalk
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,025 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    It would be my own "personal definition" of the ultimate stopping power I guess...................... just would like to have "one" pistol that is kinda the ultimate.

    Define your personal definition of 'ultimate stopping power'. Please.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,495 Senior Member
    Why not just learn with what you have, instead of relying on technology to compensate? Between a .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, and 9mm all with good ammo... there's not a whole lot of difference.

    Seriously, instead of chasing unicorns and mystical technology, just stick with what you have and learn to be effective.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,715 Senior Member
    ChuckXXX:
    I think it would be a neat gun to have, a convertable pistol.
    In the league with convertable revolvers.

    I do not know about the idea for a .357 sig rnd that won't provide a through and through---- must be
    a down loaded rnd or a light for caliber bullet. Your 9mm can do that for ya.

    With the right holster the sig 226 isn't too big for carry.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Why not just learn with what you have, instead of relying on technology to compensate? Between a .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, and 9mm all with good ammo... there's not a whole lot of difference.

    Seriously, instead of chasing unicorns and mystical technology, just stick with what you have and learn to be effective.

    That is an excellent assessment, and as Big Slug often points out, some of those calibers beat up the shooter and the guns, but do not offer much better terminal performance over modern loads in a cheaper to shoot caliber as 9mm, being more cost effective means more range practice....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,557 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Does anyone out there own a 357 Sig for concealed carry???? I called the guys at Customer Service at Sig yesterday and they said I could buy a Sig Sauer P-226 Platnum Elite in the 40 Cal, then spend another $159.00 for a 357 sig barrel and just drop it in the gun and it will work. So in other words you end up with a 40 cal and a 357 Sig all in one pistol. What do you guys think??? I spoke to two different guys in customer service and they both "verified" that it will work. I didn't know you could do that but thats what they are telling me. Does anyone carry a sig 357 for concealed carry???? I already own a P-226 platnum elite in "9mm". I must admit I love it dearly but it is just a "tad big" for concealed carry. But it can be done with the right holster. Right now I have a Galco. Would love to hear your thoughts. Also is there a load out there in 357 sig that "WON'T GO THRU THE BAD GUY"???? Iam always concerned about innocent bystanders.

    Glock, S&W M&P, Springfield Armory and Sig all have offerings in .357SIG.

    A P-226 is not going to conceal well at all and DA/SA design just basically sucks (IMO).

    I owned a P-226 and had a .357SIG barrel for it. It is a fun caliber, is accurate and has a lot of velocity. Problem is, it is a VERY high pressure cartridge and is pricey compared to its parent cartridge, .40S&W.

    Here is some inform from Brass Fetcher ballistics testing ([url]www.brassfetcher.com):[/url]

    .357SIG - 4" barrel

    Cor-Bon 125gr JHP
    Impact Velocity: 1381 fps
    Penetration: 11.9"
    Expansion: 0.225" (~5.5mm)

    Federal 125 JHP
    Impact Velocity: 1332 fps
    Penetration: 11.8"
    Expansion: 0.346" (~8mm)

    9mm +P - 4" barrel

    Cor-Bon 115gr +P
    Impact Velocity: 1153 fps
    Penetration: 14.5"
    Expansion: 0.227" (~5.5mm)

    Speer 124gr +P Gold Dot
    Impact Velocity: 1213 fps
    Penetration: 10.3"
    Expansion: 0.377 (~9mm)

    The point of all that? You aren't getting a great return for your expenditure to afford shooting a .357 SIG. I'm not going to type out all the .40S&W examples, but .40S&W generally outplays .357 SIG, too.

    "Stopping power" is a dumb moniker. I hate it. Bullets don't have "stopping power", they have wound potential. There is not a handgun round out there that generally speaking penetrated greater than 14" and most are in the 10-12" realm. Combine that with adequate expansion characteristics and every handgun round is about equal in wound potential.

    -Jason
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,732 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Define your personal definition of 'ultimate stopping power'. Please.

    Must you?

    Why is it that this poster needs people telling him that the round he happens to have a thing for is somehow inadaquate, when it is not? Or that the often used terminolgy, outside of this few 100 person forum, is "dumb"?

    Pure snobbery. Not everyone is so well versed on all points firearm related, so why try to flex the muscle at every available opportunity?

    Sorry for the hi-jack OP, but this crap is getting old here. It tends to push away new posters quite frequently, which is not good IMHO.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,025 Senior Member
    Michakav wrote: »
    Must you?

    Call it morbid curiosity.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Hi DanS; It would be my own "personal definition" of the ultimate stopping power I guess.

    Contact the Acme Company - they'll drop a piano, safe, or anvil pretty much when and where you want it.:tooth:

    In all seriousness, the problem I see with the concept of the .357 Sig for concealment is that you'll essentially be dealing with a 1.5 liter aluminum Honda engine with a nitrous system - if the gun isn't beating itself up, it will probably be beating YOU up. It's really a better cartridge for a full-size duty rig, and I've generally found even those to be a wee tad on the unpleasant side - at least in the Sigs with aluminum and polymer frames.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Hi DanS; It would be my own "personal definition" of the ultimate stopping power I guess. I have 5 9mm's and just would like to have "one" pistol that is kinda the ultimate.

    BUY A 1911!

    We're going to keep telling you this, so in the words of King Henry V; "WHAT SAY YOU? WILL YOU YIELD - and this avoid, or, guilty in defense, be thus destroyed?"
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,025 Senior Member
    Michakav wrote: »
    Must you?

    Why is it that this poster needs people telling him that the round he happens to have a thing for is somehow inadaquate, when it is not? Or that the often used terminolgy, outside of this few 100 person forum, is "dumb"?

    Pure snobbery. Not everyone is so well versed on all points firearm related, so why try to flex the muscle at every available opportunity?

    Sorry for the hi-jack OP, but this crap is getting old here. It tends to push away new posters quite frequently, which is not good IMHO.

    Must I what?

    Lighten up, Francis! Must I ask what the OP meant by 'ultimate stopping power'? Must I ask what he means by this? That is a rather broad concept. Maybe by understanding what his goal is, I can better help him.

    I said none of the things you just mentioned. I asked a freaking question! A simple one at that! I asked what he meant by what he said. That's it.

    By the way, High Speed......I have a .357 Sig of my own. So, you can piss off.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Knock down power !!!! .357 Sig has oodles of knock down drag out power !!!!!!!


    But at what cost ??? but at what cost ????

    How will we live with ourselves ???

    One day at a time.......... :yesno:



    :jester:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • pilotpilot New Member Posts: 25 New Member
    I am no expert but I think I have enough experience to have an opinion on the matter. I have a Sig P226, P229, and P239 in .357Sig. The P226 and P229 have drop in barrels for the .40SW which work flawlessly. For me, the P229 is easy to carry and the P239 even more so. I rarely shoot more than 100 rounds in each pistol in a range session. I do not worry about "over penetration" because the only reason I would shoot a pistol in self defense is because I can not get my hands on a rifle or a shotgun. I enjoy shooting the .357Sig and in my Sigs it has always functioned without fail. I recently purchased a Walther PPQ 9mm and am impressed with how quickly I can empty the 15 rd magazine with good accuracy. With my level of ability I can keep the shots within about 2" of the bullseye at 25' with any of the above mentioned weapons. If I want to achieve a single ragged hole I will shoot my full size 1911, also easy to carry OWB. I also have a Glock G31, .357Sig which is as accurate as the Sigs but 100 rds with that is not so pleasant for me. So, they're all good. Shoot as many as you can as often as you can and one or two may begin to stand out for you. Enjoy the process and develop confidence, recognizing the limits of any handgun. There really is no substitute for training and practice. Just a few of my thoughts, hope it helps.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    There is no "ultimate stopping power" in any caliber, unless you consider the Enola Gay and her payload. Practice with what you have until you can keep at least six shots in six inches at fifteen yards, and call it a day.

    Personally I carry a .45 in most weather and a 9mm Shield in T-shirt weather, and am confident with both; if a situation comes up which merits more than seven rounds plus a reload, I'm out of there before you can say SQUIRREL!!
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

    NRA Endowment Member
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,025 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    In all seriousness, the problem I see with the concept of the .357 Sig for concealment is that you'll essentially be dealing with a 1.5 liter aluminum Honda engine with a nitrous system - if the gun isn't beating itself up, it will probably be beating YOU up. It's really a better cartridge for a full-size duty rig, and I've generally found even those to be a wee tad on the unpleasant side - at least in the Sigs with aluminum and polymer frames.

    If it's any consolation, my Sig 239 in .357 Sig is my wife's bed side gun. She shoots it just fine.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Chuck, if you want to buy a .357 sig, by all means have at it. The reason it will work in a .40 caliber gun with just a barrel swap, is because the .357 sig is just a .40 s&w case, necked down to 9mm.


    ChuckXX wrote: »
    I already own a P-226 platnum elite in "9mm".



    Also is there a load out there in 357 sig that "WON'T GO THRU THE BAD GUY"???? Iam always concerned about innocent bystanders.


    A .357sig that's slow enough to reduce the chance of overpenetration?

    Ummm................that's called a 9x19mm, and you already have one.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Did they not bring out a grown up .357 Sig?
    Based on the 10mm Auto I think or did that die on the vine?
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,715 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Did they not bring out a grown up .357 Sig?
    Based on the 10mm Auto I think or did that die on the vine?

    I guess in 1994 it originally was based on the 10 mm cartridge. Or maybe not since .40
    is 10mm. Development was with Sig and Federal so that may have been where the 10mm
    came into play depending if one was European or American speaking/writing about it.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    I thought the 357 Sig was based on the 40 S&W and the 40 S&W was shorter than the original 10mm?
    It could be age catching up with me.
    PS.
    Here you go, I think.
    9x25mm Dillon
    http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_24&osCsid=dvscapudhuvrb4oh28lj4l9ab0
  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    To: BigDanS, "JasonMPD", BigSlug, Pilot, Dogwalk, and everyone else too; THANK YOU VERY MUCH. This is really great feedback. The reason I own a bunch of 9 mm's is because they are all "accurate" as heck, and they are "EASY TO TAKE APART AND CLEAN". Iam a big believer in cleaning thoroughly a pistol after shooting it. Regarding the comment of "get a 1911". Been there, done that. What an absolute "Pain in the Butt" to take apart and clean. Was it 3 o'clock, no its 6 o'clock, no its twelve noon. Hated the process and never could remember how to take it apart and put back togethor. My two CZ's and two Sigs, and Glock 19 all a "PIECE OF CAKE" to take apart. Now back to business, the 357 Sig I was told by an expert at the Bullet Hole (shooting range in Omaha) was "kinda" the ultimate in "stoppping power". JasonMPD's post very much enlightened me as to penetration. Iam still "wrestling" with the idea however. Many of you seem to be hungup on the cost of shooting these beasts. NOT ME. I look at it completely differently. Its my favorite hobby and all hobbys "cost money". No different than the guy who bowls often, drinks at the bar often, rebuilds his sports car, or pays for the occasional prostitute!!!! Ha-Ha. Thank You again, and as I have always said "YOU GUYS ARE ALL GREAT"!!!!!!!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,495 Senior Member
    The Bullet Hole? The guys who couldn't show you how to fieldstrip the Wilson pistol you bought? That was another "Ultimate, if I remember correctly.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    .357 SIG? No thanks...I just don't like bottle-neck pistol cartridges.... :down: But that's just me....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    The Bullet Hole? The guys who couldn't show you how to fieldstrip the Wilson pistol you bought? That was another "Ultimate, if I remember correctly.

    It's pretty complicated Earl...I mean my 10 year old kids took an entire hour to grasp the concept...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I just don't like bottle-neck pistol cartridges

    For shame;
    32-20,38-40,44-40.:tissue:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    For shame;
    32-20,38-40,44-40.:tissue:

    I said PISTOL cartridges...those are REVOLVER cartridges and for the record...I'm quite fond of the ones you listed...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Well!!!, if we are going to nit pick;
    .32 WCF, 38 WCF, 44 WCF…….WCF...emmmm:tooth:


    [QUOTE=Jayhawker;...I'm quite fond of the ones you listed...[/QUOTE]

    :up::up:
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    If bigger and faster is what you want and money is no object there is always something heavier and faster like the .400 and .440 CorBon.....
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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