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KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior MemberPosts: 3,249 Senior Member
A wolf pack in Washington state will be exterminated because they have been preying on livestock. Pretty typical, both sides on the issue blame each other for the problem. The rancher thinks the state is out of control, the tree huggers helping to reintroduce the wolves blame the rancher.

But director Mitch Friedman told NBC station KING 5 that rancher Bill McIrvine, who lost part of his herd to the pack, "has total responsibility for the problem" for not being as cooperative as other ranchers with programs aimed at keeping cattle and wolves apart.

I do not see how he is supposed to keep them apart. Is the rancher supposed to put up a sign? Thats supposed to work in the gun free zones after all. I am glad to see the state is supporting the rancher by eliminating the problem pack. What think the rest of you? (Link Below!)

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14093139-gray-wolf-pack-in-washington-state-will-be-shot-dead-after-preying-on-cattle?lite
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  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    State is doing what is right and should be done.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Funny how a line in the dirt makes such a difference. In Washington, shooting a wolf is a felony. In Idaho, it is a badge of honor. Drag a fresh wolf carcass to the local tavern, and you will drink for free.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Dang hard to convince the city dwelling, country visiting tree hugger that predators have been mostly eliminated near cities and farms a loooong time ago for a reason.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    This is easy. SSS.

    I've got to agree with you, but I think the Idaho method would be better.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 671 Senior Member
    It's funny at least they admit there's wolves there. Here in Oregon we have wolves but they(the wolves) know the boundaries they are to stay inside of. So the gigantic coyotes we keep seeing are just that monster coyotes because no wolves are suppose to be in this area. Even pictures on trail cams have yet to convince ODFW, or well you know.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    The underlying problem with the tree-hugging hippies that champion the wolves, other than stark-raving ignorance, is they do not LIVE and make a LIFE where they fought to introduce the wolves. Their lives are not impacted by these animals and are content to sit in their studio apartments, smoke weed and say, "Bro, it was so cool how we got those wolves released on all that cattle ranch property. They'll survive there for sure!"

    Furthermore, they don't know what having a way of life impacted or destroyed is like because they don't work or earn anything.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Well since wolves dont exist there, just shoot the large coyotes.
    You know, I don't care what all the rest of these guys say, I like the way your mind works.

    To the over all issue though. This has been controversial since the very idea of wolf reintroduction was raised. Land owners and ranchers were of course against it because they live a lot closer to the land than some treehugging executive in his DC lobbying office. The former already deal with predator depredation on their stock. Heck even on their yard dogs and barn cats. While the latter takes money from people who make decisions based on what they feel rather than what they think. And science goes out the window.

    Any wild life biologist worth her salt, (and my girl is one), will tell you that ethical hunting is the best tool they have in terms of managing big game populations. So, if you want to reintroduce a predator near the top of the food chain, then eventually the predator at the pinnacle of the food chain, us, will be your best management tool.

    But the treehuggers don't want that. That's why they blamed this rancher. Now, some would say that this particular issue was on leased, public land. So that's different. My answer would be that we currently rent. So it may be my landlord's house, but it's my home. My home to manage under the parameters of my lease.
    So this guy needs a different lease.

    If I were king one of my first edicts would be that no wildlife management policy decisions, either legislatively or administratively could be made without sound scientific underpinnings and sound, peer reviewed studies. With some sort of best practices model using all tools available.

    My $0.02. Adjusted for inflation in Obama dollars.

    Gosh, I sure used, "tool" a lot. Must of still been thinking of cpj:roll2:
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    This is easy. SSS.

    A woman was recently arrested and convicted of dropping parvo-infected puppies into wolf territory. Many locals donated money to her defense fund.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 671 Senior Member
    Some body shot one of the big coyotes and they offered a 10,000 dollar reward for info leading to an arrest.

    Their problem was the for got an S, the shovel part shot it and left it out in a field

    But again no wolves here it was a stray.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    The underlying problem with the tree-hugging hippies that champion the wolves, other than stark-raving ignorance, is they do not LIVE and make a LIFE where they fought to introduce the wolves. Their lives are not impacted by these animals and are content to sit in their studio apartments, smoke weed and say, "Bro, it was so cool how we got those wolves released on all that cattle ranch property. They'll survive there for sure!"

    Furthermore, they don't know what having a way of life impacted or destroyed is like because they don't work or earn anything.

    Just like the tree hugger professors who wanted to turn the Great Plains states into the "Prairie Commons" park. Move all the people out and turn it back over to the Bison. Of course they were from New Jersey, no skin in the game, and they had no answer for how to replace all the food production capacity that would have to be lost.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    The wolf reintroductions are causing a continuing poo storm. If I were king for a day, this issue would become moot overnight. Wolves causing depredation of domestic animals would be shot on sight. The people that pushed for the reintroductions would be made liable in the sum of $100,000 payable immediately on the death of any, ANY, cow or other domestic animal killed by one of the wolves. These green groups would have to post a CASH bond of no less than $10,000,000 per wolf introduced, and an additional $5,000,000 per offspring of said wolves. Time for the mentally deficient and morally bankrupt green groups to put up or shut up.

    Additionally, large packs of wolves would be reintroduced in Central Park in NYC, and the state of New Jersey, and anywhere else that the greens who pushed this mess exist. These packs would be exempt from killing for any depredations they may cause. They want to get all touchy-feely with the wolves, then they should be afforded the opportunity.

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    I like the idea of a healthy pack of 40 or 50 wolves in Central Park. Steady diet of ferrel dogs, cats and people.

    The hippie ****s want, "unlimited freedom for everyone, brah... we don't need no stinkin' government to be free!"

    When, what they do by proxy, is opress the freedoms of the will of others by lobbying to change something in a region or state in which they don't reside and no proverbial dog in the fight. Wolves. Seems benign enough, right? I like wolves--cool animals. I think they should roam free again in (name your place). Now, the folks of this place who live and work off of the land have to deal with wolves artificially re-introduced where there were none in their lifetimes.

    The freedom to own and keep their real property is encorached upon by law to protect a species that was re-introduced on or near THEIR LAND for no other real reason that to check off a box on some uber-conservationists checklist. Now, on THEIR LAND, they get in trouble for defending their livestock, i.e. THERE DAMN WAY OF LIFE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH WITHOUT WOLVES!

    Stupid hippies.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The three most basic foundations of this country.

    These bleeding heart conservationists do "X" which makes peoples livlihoods faulter. Hence, they have deconstructed their pursuit of happiness. Now, you impose quack laws to protect "X" which did not need to be there to begin with, hampering their liberty. ANd in destructing their liberty and happiness, you have dampened their life.

    You have now just effectively crushed, for those poeple, the way of life you expect and should hever have taken from you in this country. Good job, Libs.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,112 Senior Member
    Yep...wolves are all mystical and magical...just look at the posters and t-shirts...to those who don't have to live with them....they're awe inspiring alright...just look at the aftermath of them tearing apart a half dozen $1,000.00 calves in a single night...
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Yep...wolves are all mystical and magical...just look at the posters and t-shirts...to those who don't have to live with them....they're awe inspiring alright...just look at the aftermath of them tearing apart a half dozen $1,000.00 calves in a single night...

    Mystical and magical seems to be the theme with these morons, remember the idiot who took up residence with the bears up in Alaska and then got to comingle with the bear poo when his supposed kinship with the bears wound up putting him on the dinner menu.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,112 Senior Member
    Mystical and magical seems to be the theme with these morons, remember the idiot who took up residence with the bears up in Alaska and then got to comingle with the bear poo when his supposed kinship with the bears wound up putting him on the dinner menu.

    There is a reason stupid hurts....anyone who didn't see that wreck coming was blind as a bat....unfortunate that he got his female companion killed in the process of "communing" with the large omnivores,,,
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Wolves, Bears, Mountain Lions, all majestic animals, wonderful to behold, and all of them regard us as tasty, even without ketchup. Unfortunately, the folks who regard nature from their TV screen, and think that food comes from Krogers, don't have any concept of how the natural world works.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 671 Senior Member
    Here's another thing for you. Oregon outlawed the use of dogs to hunt cougars and bears. So then the population of said animals skyrocketed to the point were the state paid somebody to come in and reduce (read kill) the population. The state paid them! And the hides and meat was left to rot, I would pay to hunt a cougar with a dog, I would literally give the state that is strapped for cash money to do this but nope they will pay somebody to do it.

    Saturday is opening day of deer season we have a week to harvest one buck deer. My home area has nothing left no deer or elk they have all been run off or killed by wolves or cougars. So now I will spend way more money to drive farther with still no real hope of getting anything.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Yep...wolves are all mystical and magical...just look at the posters and t-shirts...to those who don't have to live with them....they're awe inspiring alright...just look at the aftermath of them tearing apart a half dozen $1,000.00 calves in a single night...

    There was a series of elk herds in Idaho that contained a population of 36,000 head. Now it is under 4000. People once relied on elk meat for feeding the family, now people stopped buying tags. This is the first year in my hunt zone that cow elk are prohibited. It looks like we have been forced to trade our elk tags for wolf tags.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,871 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I LOVE it when idiots such as this get eaten alive by their animal "friends".
    Last words of Timothy Treadwell...
    "Hit the bear! HIT THE BEAR!!!"

    Same guy who claimed it would be an "honor" to become bear scat...
    I'm just here for snark.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Last words of Timothy Treadwell...
    "Hit the bear! HIT THE BEAR!!!"

    Same guy who claimed it would be an "honor" to become bear scat...

    It would be hard to concentrate on what an "honor" you were receiving whilst a large animal snacked on your innards.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    There is a reason why these animals were eradicated years ago.

    Open them all up as 'predators' and kill when you see them. Just like coyote, fox and racoons,etc.

    Deer and elk tag monies are huge in the budget of game, fish and parks, and mountain lion tags are not.

    Kill em all. There will be enough survivors in the remote parts of the continent.

    Bellcat
    "Kindness is the language the deaf can hear and the blind can see." Mark Twain
  • bklysenbklysen Member Posts: 509 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    This is easy. SSS.

    Or, find one of the gazillion small rivers/trout streams that have enough flow to them and make a carcass deposit. Some had chips implanted back when the PETA-whacko types thought reintroduction was a good idea...anonymity is protected. We have our first Wolf season this year, but some folks had remedies long before the Gov't types gave it the official OK.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    I live here in E. Ky.. ,Populated farming country. One day a woman was looking out her window, getting a little custom to maybe seeing a small blackbear, she saw a large cat of some sort starring at her, She calls gamewarden who comes out with a tracker saying that there is no cat in this region. The next day a federal warden shows up with a tracker saying it's gone now???? This thing had a tracking collar on but didn't exist???? Several people have been having a large cat show up on their camaras.. I was talking to a man this week that lives near my granddaughter, he sees a small black bear 1/4 mile from her house. but they are not here. They open bear season again this year about 2 hr from here in the elk regions...near Va and WVA.
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