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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Pensacola, FLPosts: 10,838 Senior Member
    I have been very unimpressed with the accuracy reports with carbon fiber wrapped barrels.

    I've read up some on them and never seen any poor accuracy reports. It is the internet however. Hard to tell where the advertising ends and the testimonials begin....

    Only actual experience is with a few .22's (Magnum Research and Volquartsen)..... All exceptional.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member WyomingPosts: 8,566 Senior Member
    The folks I know that had problems was all centerfire
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Heck, one thing I didn't consider.....maybe I should use the 300 Wby for the project?? It WAS my first Winchester. Its a bit heavy now, 9lbs 13oz all up with 4 rounds with the 3-10x42 Monarch on the Boyd's JRS stock. I'm thinking that stock has to weigh quite a bit, IIRC that rifle was not much over 8lbs, maybe 8.5lbs, on the old factory wood stock. On the McMillan EDGE it might end up being in the low 7's hunt ready. And this is with the factory mag sporter barrel....now Weatherby makes the Mk V Ultralight with a #2 contour and that rifle is 6.75lbs. Maybe I could just rebarrel with a lighter contour barrel and get it down to a fairly light weight? Combine that with a lighter scope and possibly those Tally's, if they're lighter then my DNZ (alum. as well) I think this might be a good comb. Currently has a 24" barrel, I think I'd go 25" to save another ounce over 26".

    Also just found pics on my camera of scale shots, the 308 is 9.3lbs all up! 10oz difference, that B&C must be a real porker.

    super light (not quite ultra) weight 300 Wby and a 375 Ruger? I think that handles pretty much anything that walks shy of serious elephant hunting. No way I'd do that with anything that didn't have a caliber that started with ".4xx"
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Heck, one thing I didn't consider.....maybe I should use the 300 Wby for the project?? It WAS my first Winchester.

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.........NO! You're first love is the bench-mark you gauge everything else from. Consider it the Control group. Yeah the Browning WSM was a hot chick....but you LOVE that Weatherby....right?
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.........NO! You're first love is the bench-mark you gauge everything else from. Consider it the Control group. Yeah the Browning WSM was a hot chick....but you LOVE that Weatherby....right?

    I meant keeping the Weatherby and putting it on the light stock and lighter barrel. I'd keep it as a 300 Wby, just a lighter new barrel. That would save 1/2-3/4lbs right there alone.
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Dressing her up in a lighter skirt = ok......but don't mess with the barrel. You ain't one for a muzzle-brake for that one, and you don't want to lop off a couple inches to lose a couple hundred FPS unless you rechamber it for .300 WSM (then what's the the point in a weatherby cartridge...right!?).
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Dressing her up in a lighter skirt = ok......but don't mess with the barrel. You ain't one for a muzzle-brake for that one, and you don't want to lop off a couple inches to lose a couple hundred FPS unless you rechamber it for .300 WSM (then what's the the point in a weatherby cartridge...right!?).

    I think you are confused. It has a 24" barrel now. I'm talking about putting a lighter and LONGER barrel on it. Right now I think it has a 24" #4, I'm talking 25" #2
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,761 Senior Member
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Gotcha.....so what does your research say about a longer whippier barrel? Of course you can always get a stout 20" barrel and just work out enough to carry it.....:tooth:
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    sakodude wrote: »

    If I had 1600$ sittin around....
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Gotcha.....so what does your research say about a longer whippier barrel? Of course you can always get a stout 20" barrel and just work out enough to carry it.....:tooth:

    Seems to work fine for Weatherby and their Mk V Ultra Lightweight
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Ok.....barrel weight saving's.......the size of a can of soda....what is the detriment to that as it concerns the rifle? Seriously I ask.
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    huh?

    really not sure what you are asking. detriment to accuracy? probably a bit since it'll heat up faster and won't be as stiff, but for a hunting rifle I really don't see how that matters
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    How long is the barrel on your featherlite, and the 300WM barrel in your closet?

    You could have either of them rechambered........

    I'd take 'em all apart, start weighing barreled actions, and stocks. See what's what. You can look up the scope weights.

    I'd bet you could trim down the featherlite, lighter scope, lighter stock, make it a mag pretty easy.
    The Monarch is 17.6 oz., switch to a VX-2 4-12x40 at 11.6oz, or a VX-33.5-10x40 at 12.6oz. There's 5-6oz saved, haven't even touched the rifle.

    I've never been a big Winchester fan, but I kinda liked that rifle.
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    What I'm seeing.....the biggest weight savings is in reducing the barrel weight, yes? You make the barrel a pencil.....you know it will walk on you right? The matter becomes, just how far it deviates within 5 rounds of firing......granted you may need only 3-5 for sighting in....what if it's good for that one cold-bore shot....then walks after that? That's what I'm getting at. What do it do for you after a couple of shots?
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Found out the cost of having the featherweight opened up, new magazine, having that barrel turned down and installed....quite cost prohibitive. To the point it didn't make sense. Pretty sure I have the 308 sold tomorrow on the factory stock, got the 2 Nikon scopes sold about 10 minutes after I posted them on 24hr. Still have the B&C stock to sell off....so far, I'm going to be a decent chunk into getting stuff to make the M70 300 Wby lighter. Kind of forgot I had that rifle. I'd rather do that one up real light then sell it. The others I'm not attached to. We'll see how far I get before looking at the Featherweight for anything, be it selling or modifying. Might be able to hold onto that one as back up or to use for something else.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    What I'm seeing.....the biggest weight savings is in reducing the barrel weight, yes? You make the barrel a pencil.....you know it will walk on you right? The matter becomes, just how far it deviates within 5 rounds of firing......granted you may need only 3-5 for sighting in....what if it's good for that one cold-bore shot....then walks after that? That's what I'm getting at. What do it do for you after a couple of shots?

    The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.

    Sighting in, do it slow and it shouldn't matter much at all. I'm sure after the 3rd shot, maybe even ON the 3rd shot if shot quickly it'll start moving around. BUT, this will be a higher quality barrel, installed under tighter specs, so walking for that custom barrel, should hopefully be less then walking on a factory barrel. Shouldn't take more then 2 shots anyways as long as I hit the stupid thing lol. All of my misses, have come from standard cartridges, as I haven't hunted with a magnum AND had a shot at game in a few years now. When I had game in the scope with any of my mags, game over.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,673 Senior Member
    The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.

    Sighting in, do it slow and it shouldn't matter much at all. I'm sure after the 3rd shot, maybe even ON the 3rd shot if shot quickly it'll start moving around. BUT, this will be a higher quality barrel, installed under tighter specs, so walking for that custom barrel, should hopefully be less then walking on a factory barrel. Shouldn't take more then 2 shots anyways as long as I hit the stupid thing lol. All of my misses, have come from standard cartridges, as I haven't hunted with a magnum AND had a shot at game in a few years now. When I had game in the scope with any of my mags, game over.



    I like this plan, but I am still on the fence with the rebarreling, no experience with that is my problem, but this sounds like a doable project and you are still launching a 300 Wthby pill.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    My head is starting to hurt again. Where's your off switch?

    ;-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    And a thing for dogs. Apparently not a good thing.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Well unfortunately (maybe fortunately?) I'm not doing well enough to just purchase every whim lol. It'd look like Cabela's in here......
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Have you purchased ANY whim?

    :youknowimjackingwithyouright:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member God's countryPosts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Well unfortunately (maybe fortunately?) I'm not doing well enough to just purchase every whim lol. It'd look like Cabela's in here......
    .

    Boy ain't that the doggone truth. I've got guns to cleanly take any game in North America. But I've got my whims too.
    The funny thing is though that while I look at my little collection and see holes I want to fill. If I ever got into some kinda trouble, I'd show up on the news as having an "arsenal".
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Look! A German Shepard!

    Figured you for more of a lap dog kinda guy. Guess you like the stockier, manly kind.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Hang on while I dumpster dive by Wambli
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    ......bought an aluminun ADL trigger guard (tossed the BDL bottom metal out), talley one-piece sluminum base/ring combo and with the same same scope the rifle is now about 7.25 lbs.

    How do they compare to steel and aluminum versions?

    :jester:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • wildgenewildgene Senior Member Cody, WYPosts: 1,036 Senior Member
    ...one of these days yer gonna pull a groin muscle just from overthinking these things...

    ...take your .300 barrel, cut 0.6" off the rear, rechamber it to .300 WSM, finish it to 23", load w/ RL-17, it will pretty much match a .300 WM w/ a 24" barrel...

    ...buy a Kimber Mt. Ascent, live w/ the .308...

    ...buy a Kimber Montana, a Weatherby UltraLite, or a Browning Ti or A-Bolt, no sense in buying a Remington, tearing it apart to rebuild it, you'ld be going right back to Point A...

    ...buy a Tikka T3 & scope & be done w/ it...
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,772 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Work computer crashed, new one in. No spell checker installed yet.. now hush... :tooth:

    How does sluminum compare to unobtainium? :jester:
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Nothing compares to unobtainium.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Eastern NebraskaPosts: 8,155 Senior Member
    I haven't caught up on all of the other posts in this thread, so forgive me if this one has already been put out there, but I highly recommened a new Tikka T3 Lite Stainless over any of the rebarreling/recontouring options. It's too inexpensive of an option to even fuss with the risk of ruining a perfectly good barrel. The gun shoots lights out an its light weight is THE #1 feature that made it the go-to gun for my recent mule deer hunt. I hiked with that sucker 30+ miles in the mountains over three days and never thought about it again until it was time to shoot. This gun is an absolutely excellent long haul carry option. Not as sexy and an uberlight custom rig, but worth every penny and is accurate to boot.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
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