I have been very unimpressed with the accuracy reports with carbon fiber wrapped barrels.
I've read up some on them and never seen any poor accuracy reports. It is the internet however. Hard to tell where the advertising ends and the testimonials begin....
Only actual experience is with a few .22's (Magnum Research and Volquartsen)..... All exceptional.
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Heck, one thing I didn't consider.....maybe I should use the 300 Wby for the project?? It WAS my first Winchester. Its a bit heavy now, 9lbs 13oz all up with 4 rounds with the 3-10x42 Monarch on the Boyd's JRS stock. I'm thinking that stock has to weigh quite a bit, IIRC that rifle was not much over 8lbs, maybe 8.5lbs, on the old factory wood stock. On the McMillan EDGE it might end up being in the low 7's hunt ready. And this is with the factory mag sporter barrel....now Weatherby makes the Mk V Ultralight with a #2 contour and that rifle is 6.75lbs. Maybe I could just rebarrel with a lighter contour barrel and get it down to a fairly light weight? Combine that with a lighter scope and possibly those Tally's, if they're lighter then my DNZ (alum. as well) I think this might be a good comb. Currently has a 24" barrel, I think I'd go 25" to save another ounce over 26".
Also just found pics on my camera of scale shots, the 308 is 9.3lbs all up! 10oz difference, that B&C must be a real porker.
super light (not quite ultra) weight 300 Wby and a 375 Ruger? I think that handles pretty much anything that walks shy of serious elephant hunting. No way I'd do that with anything that didn't have a caliber that started with ".4xx"
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
Heck, one thing I didn't consider.....maybe I should use the 300 Wby for the project?? It WAS my first Winchester.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.........NO! You're first love is the bench-mark you gauge everything else from. Consider it the Control group. Yeah the Browning WSM was a hot chick....but you LOVE that Weatherby....right?
God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.........NO! You're first love is the bench-mark you gauge everything else from. Consider it the Control group. Yeah the Browning WSM was a hot chick....but you LOVE that Weatherby....right?
I meant keeping the Weatherby and putting it on the light stock and lighter barrel. I'd keep it as a 300 Wby, just a lighter new barrel. That would save 1/2-3/4lbs right there alone.
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
Dressing her up in a lighter skirt = ok......but don't mess with the barrel. You ain't one for a muzzle-brake for that one, and you don't want to lop off a couple inches to lose a couple hundred FPS unless you rechamber it for .300 WSM (then what's the the point in a weatherby cartridge...right!?).
God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
Dressing her up in a lighter skirt = ok......but don't mess with the barrel. You ain't one for a muzzle-brake for that one, and you don't want to lop off a couple inches to lose a couple hundred FPS unless you rechamber it for .300 WSM (then what's the the point in a weatherby cartridge...right!?).
I think you are confused. It has a 24" barrel now. I'm talking about putting a lighter and LONGER barrel on it. Right now I think it has a 24" #4, I'm talking 25" #2
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
Gotcha.....so what does your research say about a longer whippier barrel? Of course you can always get a stout 20" barrel and just work out enough to carry it.....:tooth:
God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
Gotcha.....so what does your research say about a longer whippier barrel? Of course you can always get a stout 20" barrel and just work out enough to carry it.....:tooth:
Seems to work fine for Weatherby and their Mk V Ultra Lightweight
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
really not sure what you are asking. detriment to accuracy? probably a bit since it'll heat up faster and won't be as stiff, but for a hunting rifle I really don't see how that matters
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
How long is the barrel on your featherlite, and the 300WM barrel in your closet?
You could have either of them rechambered........
I'd take 'em all apart, start weighing barreled actions, and stocks. See what's what. You can look up the scope weights.
I'd bet you could trim down the featherlite, lighter scope, lighter stock, make it a mag pretty easy.
The Monarch is 17.6 oz., switch to a VX-2 4-12x40 at 11.6oz, or a VX-33.5-10x40 at 12.6oz. There's 5-6oz saved, haven't even touched the rifle.
I've never been a big Winchester fan, but I kinda liked that rifle.
What I'm seeing.....the biggest weight savings is in reducing the barrel weight, yes? You make the barrel a pencil.....you know it will walk on you right? The matter becomes, just how far it deviates within 5 rounds of firing......granted you may need only 3-5 for sighting in....what if it's good for that one cold-bore shot....then walks after that? That's what I'm getting at. What do it do for you after a couple of shots?
God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
Found out the cost of having the featherweight opened up, new magazine, having that barrel turned down and installed....quite cost prohibitive. To the point it didn't make sense. Pretty sure I have the 308 sold tomorrow on the factory stock, got the 2 Nikon scopes sold about 10 minutes after I posted them on 24hr. Still have the B&C stock to sell off....so far, I'm going to be a decent chunk into getting stuff to make the M70 300 Wby lighter. Kind of forgot I had that rifle. I'd rather do that one up real light then sell it. The others I'm not attached to. We'll see how far I get before looking at the Featherweight for anything, be it selling or modifying. Might be able to hold onto that one as back up or to use for something else.
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
What I'm seeing.....the biggest weight savings is in reducing the barrel weight, yes? You make the barrel a pencil.....you know it will walk on you right? The matter becomes, just how far it deviates within 5 rounds of firing......granted you may need only 3-5 for sighting in....what if it's good for that one cold-bore shot....then walks after that? That's what I'm getting at. What do it do for you after a couple of shots?
The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.
Sighting in, do it slow and it shouldn't matter much at all. I'm sure after the 3rd shot, maybe even ON the 3rd shot if shot quickly it'll start moving around. BUT, this will be a higher quality barrel, installed under tighter specs, so walking for that custom barrel, should hopefully be less then walking on a factory barrel. Shouldn't take more then 2 shots anyways as long as I hit the stupid thing lol. All of my misses, have come from standard cartridges, as I haven't hunted with a magnum AND had a shot at game in a few years now. When I had game in the scope with any of my mags, game over.
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.
Sighting in, do it slow and it shouldn't matter much at all. I'm sure after the 3rd shot, maybe even ON the 3rd shot if shot quickly it'll start moving around. BUT, this will be a higher quality barrel, installed under tighter specs, so walking for that custom barrel, should hopefully be less then walking on a factory barrel. Shouldn't take more then 2 shots anyways as long as I hit the stupid thing lol. All of my misses, have come from standard cartridges, as I haven't hunted with a magnum AND had a shot at game in a few years now. When I had game in the scope with any of my mags, game over.
I like this plan, but I am still on the fence with the rebarreling, no experience with that is my problem, but this sounds like a doable project and you are still launching a 300 Wthby pill.
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Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
Well unfortunately (maybe fortunately?) I'm not doing well enough to just purchase every whim lol. It'd look like Cabela's in here......
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Boy ain't that the doggone truth. I've got guns to cleanly take any game in North America. But I've got my whims too.
The funny thing is though that while I look at my little collection and see holes I want to fill. If I ever got into some kinda trouble, I'd show up on the news as having an "arsenal".
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The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.
I'd go for the stock and scope first and see how it feels/shoots with the current barrel before going for the re-barrel. Might get most of what you want right there and save some $$$
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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......bought an aluminun ADL trigger guard (tossed the BDL bottom metal out), talley one-piece sluminum base/ring combo and with the same same scope the rifle is now about 7.25 lbs.
How do they compare to steel and aluminum versions?
:jester:
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
...one of these days yer gonna pull a groin muscle just from overthinking these things...
...take your .300 barrel, cut 0.6" off the rear, rechamber it to .300 WSM, finish it to 23", load w/ RL-17, it will pretty much match a .300 WM w/ a 24" barrel...
...buy a Kimber Mt. Ascent, live w/ the .308...
...buy a Kimber Montana, a Weatherby UltraLite, or a Browning Ti or A-Bolt, no sense in buying a Remington, tearing it apart to rebuild it, you'ld be going right back to Point A...
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I've read up some on them and never seen any poor accuracy reports. It is the internet however. Hard to tell where the advertising ends and the testimonials begin....
Only actual experience is with a few .22's (Magnum Research and Volquartsen)..... All exceptional.
"The Un-Tactical"
Also just found pics on my camera of scale shots, the 308 is 9.3lbs all up! 10oz difference, that B&C must be a real porker.
super light (not quite ultra) weight 300 Wby and a 375 Ruger? I think that handles pretty much anything that walks shy of serious elephant hunting. No way I'd do that with anything that didn't have a caliber that started with ".4xx"
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.........NO! You're first love is the bench-mark you gauge everything else from. Consider it the Control group. Yeah the Browning WSM was a hot chick....but you LOVE that Weatherby....right?
I meant keeping the Weatherby and putting it on the light stock and lighter barrel. I'd keep it as a 300 Wby, just a lighter new barrel. That would save 1/2-3/4lbs right there alone.
I think you are confused. It has a 24" barrel now. I'm talking about putting a lighter and LONGER barrel on it. Right now I think it has a 24" #4, I'm talking 25" #2
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If I had 1600$ sittin around....
Seems to work fine for Weatherby and their Mk V Ultra Lightweight
really not sure what you are asking. detriment to accuracy? probably a bit since it'll heat up faster and won't be as stiff, but for a hunting rifle I really don't see how that matters
You could have either of them rechambered........
I'd take 'em all apart, start weighing barreled actions, and stocks. See what's what. You can look up the scope weights.
I'd bet you could trim down the featherlite, lighter scope, lighter stock, make it a mag pretty easy.
The Monarch is 17.6 oz., switch to a VX-2 4-12x40 at 11.6oz, or a VX-33.5-10x40 at 12.6oz. There's 5-6oz saved, haven't even touched the rifle.
I've never been a big Winchester fan, but I kinda liked that rifle.
The barrel is part of it. Lighter stock as well. McMillan EDGE stock weighs 1.6lbs. The chunky Boyd's probably weighs near 3lbs. So call it 1.5 lbs weight saved. Now take off the #4 barrel and put on the #2, probably another 1/2lbs saving. Go with even just a regular Leupold like JB suggested, and that is another 1/2lbs gone. Safe to call it 2.5lbs right there, give or take a few ounces. Puts that rifle a bit over 7lbs, from close to 10lbs. That is pretty big difference when actually handling the rifles side by side as I found out between switching off carrying the 308 and 30-06, and that was only like 1 1/3lbs difference.
Sighting in, do it slow and it shouldn't matter much at all. I'm sure after the 3rd shot, maybe even ON the 3rd shot if shot quickly it'll start moving around. BUT, this will be a higher quality barrel, installed under tighter specs, so walking for that custom barrel, should hopefully be less then walking on a factory barrel. Shouldn't take more then 2 shots anyways as long as I hit the stupid thing lol. All of my misses, have come from standard cartridges, as I haven't hunted with a magnum AND had a shot at game in a few years now. When I had game in the scope with any of my mags, game over.
I like this plan, but I am still on the fence with the rebarreling, no experience with that is my problem, but this sounds like a doable project and you are still launching a 300 Wthby pill.
;-)
:youknowimjackingwithyouright:
Boy ain't that the doggone truth. I've got guns to cleanly take any game in North America. But I've got my whims too.
The funny thing is though that while I look at my little collection and see holes I want to fill. If I ever got into some kinda trouble, I'd show up on the news as having an "arsenal".
Figured you for more of a lap dog kinda guy. Guess you like the stockier, manly kind.
I'd go for the stock and scope first and see how it feels/shoots with the current barrel before going for the re-barrel. Might get most of what you want right there and save some $$$
How do they compare to steel and aluminum versions?
:jester:
...take your .300 barrel, cut 0.6" off the rear, rechamber it to .300 WSM, finish it to 23", load w/ RL-17, it will pretty much match a .300 WM w/ a 24" barrel...
...buy a Kimber Mt. Ascent, live w/ the .308...
...buy a Kimber Montana, a Weatherby UltraLite, or a Browning Ti or A-Bolt, no sense in buying a Remington, tearing it apart to rebuild it, you'ld be going right back to Point A...
...buy a Tikka T3 & scope & be done w/ it...
How does sluminum compare to unobtainium? :jester: