Same here (WI) at least before Act 10 was passed. In the two years since Act 10 was proposed, we've had to go through several special elections, two sets of recalls, all of our democratic state senators fleeing to other states to avoid voting on (and thereby passing, strict party line vote with repubs holding the majority in both houses) Act 10, the takeover and occupation of the State Capital building for several months (yes, months) and two activist judges authoring injuctions to stop same. The state was required to take union dues out of each state employee's pay check regardless of the employee's status regarding membership. Private unions may be a different story (or not).
That's where I was at the time.
I moved to Michigan in '08 and since then, you now have Walker and concealed carry. Makes WI worth moving back to. I'm still in the Guard there so at least I have him in my chain of command.
Company: We're going bankrupt and need to cut back on pay and benies
Union: You do and we'll strike
Company: we can't afford not to
Union: You do and we'll strike
Company: The bankruptcy judge approved it, pay and benies will be cut by ________
Union: Fine... we're on strike
Company: If you're not back by this date, we're going to have to close down
Union: Fine... we're on strike
and 1/3 of the employees put the other 2/3rds out of work.
I wonder how long until their lost income exceeds how much the company's cutbacks would have cost them??
These days, IMO at least, a pay cut & a job still beats a JOB CUT & NO JOB by a HUGE margin
Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.
and 1/3 of the employees put the other 2/3rds out of work.
I wonder how long until their lost income exceeds how much the company's cutbacks would have cost them??
These days, IMO at least, a pay cut & a job still beats a JOB CUT & NO JOB by a HUGE margin
From what Ive heard on the radio it was to be an 8% cut across the board.
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
The baker's union refused to budge and put 18,000+ people out of work. I hope their next job interview goes like this:
Employer: Why did you leave your last job?
Baker: We went out on strike, refused a pay cut to keep the company solvent, the company folded, and we were all let go.
Employer: Don't call us; we'll call you.............................NOT!
If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.
The ones that did the negotiations probably won't have to do interviews. Id imagine that they are very senior and will just be placed in other jobs with other companies that have that, or another local union. That is one downside with unions. The members that are not on the bargaining committee can not stop a strike without leaving the union. It is a dammed if you do dammed if you don't type of thing. Which is why anyone that is in a union needs to get involved and educated.
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
Well, Robert, seeing as a Twinkie has roughly the same shelf life and health benefits as plutonium, maybe you should check your local secure military facility to see if they have a stash.
You guys don't need to worry. Ya do know that several other companies make twinkies they are just called other names.
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
The new contract cuts salaries across the company by 8% in the first year of the five-year agreement. Salaries then bump up 3% in the next three years and 1% in the final year.
Well, Robert, seeing as a Twinkie has roughly the same shelf life and health benefits as plutonium, maybe you should check your local secure military facility to see if they have a stash.
Not a bad idea, I just hope if they do have some they ain't in the MRE division.
and 1/3 of the employees put the other 2/3rds out of work.
I wonder how long until their lost income exceeds how much the company's cutbacks would have cost them??
These days, IMO at least, a pay cut & a job still beats a JOB CUT & NO JOB by a HUGE margin
True dat. 92% of current wage beats hell out of 100% of nothing.
Listened to a call-in to a radio show by an employee of Hostess. Not surprisingly, at this point in time he's not a big fan of either the bakers or their union.
"Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
George Carlin
Perhaps someone will buy the companies and put the unions out of business.
Now instead of saying I am eating a twinkie, I will have to say that I am eating a Bimbo:rotflmao:
Mexican company Bimbo may be eyeing Twinkies.
The Hostess family: Twinkies, Golden Cup Cakes and Zingers. Hostess Brands Inc. will liquidate its business after striking workers with the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union did not come to an agreement with company management.
By Adrian Carrasquillo, NBC Latino
Next week may be Black Friday but sweets lovers across the nation hung their heads in sorrow on a dark Friday yesterday as Hostess announced they would cease making their line of products, which include the iconic Twinkies brand, because of the Bakers Union Strike.
But now as the brand heads towards liquidating and selling off their assets, a Mexican company may be angling to resurrect the golden Twinkies.
Read the original story at NBC Latino
According to the Christian Science Monitor, while food producers ConAgra and Flowers Food, the American company behind Nature Valley granola, have expressed interest along with Little Debbie baker McKee Foods, Mexico’s Grupo Bimbo may hold the inside track.
Grupo Bimbo is the world’s largest bread-baking firm, which already owns parts of Sara Lee, Entenmann’s and Thomas English Muffins and previously made what was considered a low-ball offer of $580 million a few years ago, Forbes reports. Now Hostess may only be worth $135 million.
Economists say high sugar prices tied to US trade tariffs were a big reason Hostess was struggling, but a Mexican company could be a lifeline for Twinkies because it would be able to take advantage of access to lower-priced sugar in Mexico.
While Hostess was clearly struggling, analysts believed Grupo Bimbo had an eye on them since the early 2000s because they saw Hostess as a key ingredient for North American expansion with delivery routes that penetrated across the country into convenience stores, gas stations and grocery markets, according to Forbes.
Daniel Servitje Montull runs Grupo Bimbo, which was founded by his family in 1954. His family is worth $4 billion.
Servitje Montull, has already worked magic before, taking on Mexico’s tortilla market and positioning white bread in Latin America.
If Grupo Bimbo pulls off a deal with Hostess for Twinkies, his next challenge will be resurrecting an American favorite.
I suppose one could look at that way SirGeorge!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ain't much difference is there?
Hey, one is concentrated fat made up of things that don't make sense filled with worthless fluff that is detrimental to your existance and the other is a snack.
It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
Hey, one is concentrated fat made up of things that don't make sense filled with worthless fluff that is detrimental to your existance and the other is a snack.
OOHHHHH that is so:rotflmao::rotflmao::applause::applause: May I use that quote,Sir? Thanks!!!!!!!!! Just so:roll2::roll2: and while your in a good mood Varmintmist, if ya don't mind me asking, how long did it take you to get that critter in your Avatar, to learn how to use that Bazooka?:uhm:
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That's where I was at the time.
I moved to Michigan in '08 and since then, you now have Walker and concealed carry. Makes WI worth moving back to. I'm still in the Guard there so at least I have him in my chain of command.
and 1/3 of the employees put the other 2/3rds out of work.
I wonder how long until their lost income exceeds how much the company's cutbacks would have cost them??
These days, IMO at least, a pay cut & a job still beats a JOB CUT & NO JOB by a HUGE margin
From what Ive heard on the radio it was to be an 8% cut across the board.
8% initially then cut to 4% after 4 or five years
Employer: Why did you leave your last job?
Baker: We went out on strike, refused a pay cut to keep the company solvent, the company folded, and we were all let go.
Employer: Don't call us; we'll call you.............................NOT!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOX-of-Hostess-Twinkies-Twinkie-FRESH-10-count-/160923827349?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2577cebc95
Twinkies, Twinkies are no more,
Unions kicked you out the door.
You'll just be a memory,
In the snack food industry.
Twinkies, Twinkies are no more,
Unions kicked you out the door.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
The new contract cuts salaries across the company by 8% in the first year of the five-year agreement. Salaries then bump up 3% in the next three years and 1% in the final year.
Me too tennmike and also if Chattanooga bakeries stock went up too, they make Moon pies!!!!!!!!!!!
but,but,but, a Hostess twinkie by any other name ain't a twinkie..
Big Al1 wrote: Yea, this will give Frito-Lay and edge won't it, with cheeto's!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a bad idea, I just hope if they do have some they ain't in the MRE division.
:applause::rotflmao::spittingcoffee:
:rotflmao::roll2:
True dat. 92% of current wage beats hell out of 100% of nothing.
Listened to a call-in to a radio show by an employee of Hostess. Not surprisingly, at this point in time he's not a big fan of either the bakers or their union.
George Carlin
Now instead of saying I am eating a twinkie, I will have to say that I am eating a Bimbo:rotflmao:
Mexican company Bimbo may be eyeing Twinkies.
The Hostess family: Twinkies, Golden Cup Cakes and Zingers. Hostess Brands Inc. will liquidate its business after striking workers with the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union did not come to an agreement with company management.
By Adrian Carrasquillo, NBC Latino
Next week may be Black Friday but sweets lovers across the nation hung their heads in sorrow on a dark Friday yesterday as Hostess announced they would cease making their line of products, which include the iconic Twinkies brand, because of the Bakers Union Strike.
But now as the brand heads towards liquidating and selling off their assets, a Mexican company may be angling to resurrect the golden Twinkies.
Read the original story at NBC Latino
According to the Christian Science Monitor, while food producers ConAgra and Flowers Food, the American company behind Nature Valley granola, have expressed interest along with Little Debbie baker McKee Foods, Mexico’s Grupo Bimbo may hold the inside track.
Grupo Bimbo is the world’s largest bread-baking firm, which already owns parts of Sara Lee, Entenmann’s and Thomas English Muffins and previously made what was considered a low-ball offer of $580 million a few years ago, Forbes reports. Now Hostess may only be worth $135 million.
Economists say high sugar prices tied to US trade tariffs were a big reason Hostess was struggling, but a Mexican company could be a lifeline for Twinkies because it would be able to take advantage of access to lower-priced sugar in Mexico.
While Hostess was clearly struggling, analysts believed Grupo Bimbo had an eye on them since the early 2000s because they saw Hostess as a key ingredient for North American expansion with delivery routes that penetrated across the country into convenience stores, gas stations and grocery markets, according to Forbes.
Daniel Servitje Montull runs Grupo Bimbo, which was founded by his family in 1954. His family is worth $4 billion.
Servitje Montull, has already worked magic before, taking on Mexico’s tortilla market and positioning white bread in Latin America.
If Grupo Bimbo pulls off a deal with Hostess for Twinkies, his next challenge will be resurrecting an American favorite.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/17/15245611-mexican-company-bimbo-may-be-eyeing-twinkies?lite
I'll go sit in the corner for a bit.
Bimbos, Ding Dongs, Snowballs, and Ho Hos....................This merger will be a veritable minefield of double entendres! :rotflmao:
Wait, are we talking about Congress now? Thought this thread was about unions and Twinkies?
I suppose one could look at that way SirGeorge!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ain't much difference is there?
Hey, one is concentrated fat made up of things that don't make sense filled with worthless fluff that is detrimental to your existance and the other is a snack.
OOHHHHH that is so:rotflmao::rotflmao::applause::applause: May I use that quote,Sir? Thanks!!!!!!!!! Just so:roll2::roll2: and while your in a good mood Varmintmist, if ya don't mind me asking, how long did it take you to get that critter in your Avatar, to learn how to use that Bazooka?:uhm:
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/11/20/creators_oped/page/full/
Work rules are one of the biggest problems in Union Shops, IMO.