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PhaethonPhaethon New MemberPosts: 1 New Member
Hello there all ... I have come into possession of 2 rifles of which i know nothing about ... I collect coins not guns unfortunately. I am sincerely hoping that some of you experts can help me find out a little more about them and their value

Thank you in advance
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One says Sharps patent 1848 on one side and Patent 1852 on the other side


The other says Burnside Patent 1856



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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,702 Senior Member
    Top rifle is a Burnside Carbine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnside_carbine

    Bottom is a Sharps Rifle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharps_rifle

    I think they're both percussion rifles shooting paper cartridges, but I'm not well-versed in such things.
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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    WOW , talk about 2 classics! First , GOOGLE Sharps and Burnside to learn a little bit more. Whatever you do , DO NOT attempt to clean them up in any way. Guns , like old coins lose value if ya try to remove the patina. I would really like to see some more detailed photos , can't tell specific models or calibers , but since I can't see them up close , I would suggest a professional appraisal.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,664 Senior Member
    Both appear to be in really good condition...a top view of the Sharps action would be appreciated...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,000 Senior Member
    Welcome aboard
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Those patent dates put them into a time frame before self-contained brass cartridges became commonplace, so the comment about paper cartridges is right on the money. This was one of the first attempts at mass-producing a breechloading rifle, where the bullet and powder charge was combined into a rolled-up paper sleeve that a hunter or a soldier could carry as a pre-packaged round. The double-set trigger on the Sharps identifies it as a long-range hunting arm, or possibly a military sniper's rifle. You definitely need to find a qualified inspector to try to establish a value, as both of them could be worth thousands of dollars if they're scarce or custom-made items. Try contacting the Buffalo Bill Cody museum in Cody, Wyoming about doing some research on them.
    Jerry
  • calebibcalebib Senior Member Posts: 1,701 Senior Member
    The Burnside actually used a brass cartridge, a strange cone shaped contraption, that also used a percussion cap.
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    And Dixie Gun Works sells reproduction cartridges. http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=8145

    I will second the Cody Museum suggestion. I finally went to the museum a couple weeks ago and it was incredible, a definite must see gun nut pilgrimage.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Welcome aboard. I agree with the other comments. Those things are probably worth a sack of coins!
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,384 Senior Member
    You can buy cases for the Burnside from Dixie Gunworks. I thought the cases were soft iron.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,792 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Both appear to be in really good condition...a top view of the Sharps action would be appreciated...

    +1

    You're either going to have a nipple for a percussion cap (old paper cartridge gun), or what amounts to a driving block for a firing pin (newer brass cartridge gun). In either case, you've got the real deal. Probably worth quite a bit.
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Very nice.
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  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    What type coins do you collect, Modern,silver, old.....
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