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wddodgewddodge Senior MemberPosts: 1,150 Senior Member
In the process of moving my reloading room from one end of the house to the other last winter, my load book got relocated to a yet to be determined location in the house. I kept my most used loads on a note in with the dies except for the 30-06 load for the Garand. Using a 150 gr projectile and IMR 4895 powder, what is the commonly used charge for the Garand?? I'm trying to duplicate the M2 ball load.

Thanks much for covering my butt.

Denny
Participating in a gun buy back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids.... Clint Eastwood

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,327 Senior Member
    Two sources for ya:

    American Rifleman's 2002 printing of their pamphlet, The M1 Rifle, collecting several articles addresses this, and lists 49 grains for the 150 grain pills with IMR4895.

    For additional reference with 4895, this pamphlet shows 47 grains for 165-168 grain bullets, 46 grains for 173-175 grain bullets, and 43 grains for 180 grain bullets. This book recommends reduction of loads by 1.5 grains if military headstamp cases are used (thicker brass = lower volume = higher pressure)

    Frank Barnes' Cartridges of the World lists the specs for M2 ball as well as a bunch of other U.S. service cartridges, and that's showing 50 grains for IMR4895. As an interesting note, it also states 50 grains for WC852 spherical powder. It also lists the same 50 grain 4895 charge for M72 match cartridge with a 175 grain bullet.

    I chalk the contradiction between the two sources on the 175's up to the fact that military match competitors had the base armorer standing by with a pile of parts to keep the gun constantly in match trim, so running a little on the hot side wasn't the issue it would be for you or I.

    For 150 grainers, then, I'd load the 50 grain regulation charge and call it good. You're gonna have to work hard to hurt a Garand with that bullet weight and that particular powder.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • wddodgewddodge Senior Member Posts: 1,150 Senior Member
    Thanks much for the info. I was in a near state of panic there for awhile. That darned book has to be here somewhere..

    Denny
    Participating in a gun buy back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids.... Clint Eastwood
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Two sources for ya:

    American Rifleman's 2002 printing of their pamphlet, The M1 Rifle, collecting several articles addresses this, and lists 49 grains for the 150 grain pills with IMR4895.

    For additional reference with 4895, this pamphlet shows 47 grains for 165-168 grain bullets, 46 grains for 173-175 grain bullets, and 43 grains for 180 grain bullets. This book recommends reduction of loads by 1.5 grains if military headstamp cases are used (thicker brass = lower volume = higher pressure)

    Frank Barnes' Cartridges of the World lists the specs for M2 ball as well as a bunch of other U.S. service cartridges, and that's showing 50 grains for IMR4895. As an interesting note, it also states 50 grains for WC852 spherical powder. It also lists the same 50 grain 4895 charge for M72 match cartridge with a 175 grain bullet.

    I chalk the contradiction between the two sources on the 175's up to the fact that military match competitors had the base armorer standing by with a pile of parts to keep the gun constantly in match trim, so running a little on the hot side wasn't the issue it would be for you or I.

    For 150 grainers, then, I'd load the 50 grain regulation charge and call it good. You're gonna have to work hard to hurt a Garand with that bullet weight and that particular powder.

    Yeah, thanks from me too Bigslug. I have a couple hundred Hornady 150 grain FMJ bullets on hand I bought to load for my Garands and I was getting inspired to load up some Garand loads, but couldn't remember the exact dosage with IMR 4895. Also, I understand that IMR 4064 will work well in a Garand. Do you have a recipe for that one too as I have both of those powders.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,327 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Also, I understand that IMR 4064 will work well in a Garand. Do you have a recipe for that one too as I have both of those powders.

    Also from the American Rifleman pamphlet:

    150 grainers - 50 grains (I'm sensing a theme here...)

    165/168's - 48 grains

    173/175's - 47 grains

    180's - not listed
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Thanks. I personally don't care about loading for any bullet larger than 150 or possibly in the 165-168 range, but mainly the 150s. The only hunting I would do with it would be hogs. 150s will kill hogs well at around 2800 FPS.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    I reloaded 150 grainers in my Garand and experienced some violent action. Try, even with the 150s, to replicate the velocities of the standard GI ball as the gas port is designed for that. I got cycling so violent that the weapon wanted to disassemble itself, i.t. the trigger guard opened up, the action locked back etc. When I reloaded for heavier bullets, it cycled perfectly. So if you are going to use 150s, back it down to GI spec velocities.

    Dan
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
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