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snake284snake284 Senior MemberPosts: 22,429 Senior Member
I went out Tuesday night with my friend and I saw two hogs running up the hillside of a big ditch, but was having problems with my spotlight and had to hold the connection in the cigarette lighter receptical and when I let it go to get the gun on them the light went out. My friend tried to grab it but it was too late.

Anyway, the hogs are out even in daylight right now as they sometimes are in the Spring. I think I'm going to go out there this afternoon around 4 PM and sit until after dark. I don't know which rifle I want to take yet. That's the problem with having so many, you can't make up your mind (but a nice problem to have for once). But it will probably end up being the 8mm Mauser. I need to blood it. Besides, I think it may be the perfect Hog rifle!
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.

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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,005 Senior Member
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Grab the dang Weatherby
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    Grab the dang Weatherby

    Well, that did cross my mind. I think I'll take em both out there and if it's a close up shot, the Mauser gets the call. If it's long range and I need something that will reach out and touch something, The Weatherby is THE ONE!!!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Well, I went out and blooded the Mauser today. Shot at two hogs with it. One escaped my wrath because I had to shoot left handed leaning out the window. I didn't think they would come in so close before i saw them. But I hadn't been there 15 minutes when about five came out and before I knew it they were right in front of me and I was sitting in the drivers side of the truck. I had to lean out and shoot left handed and I missed it clean.

    I had left my wife at my friend's house to pick dew berries and she gave me orders to be back by 6. So I figured on stopping hunting at 5 so I wouldn't be late. Anyway, right at 5 more hogs came out. Two big sows and about 15 piglets. I was in a better position this time and hit one right below the spine. She went down Bang Flop dead. Then after I insured she was dead, I tied her back legs together and hooked the rope on my trailer hitch ball and dragged it up to my friend's sister's house and she helped me pick it up and put it in the bed. With my bad left leg and back I didn't try it by myself. Anyway, I got it back up to my friend's house and my wife loaded up the truck with dew berries and vegetables from Carrie's garden and went home.

    My wife asked me what I planned on doing with the hog. I said I was going to skin it and gut it and quarter it out and put it in my big ice chest with ice and let it sit for about 3 or 4 days. Then cut it up and wrap it and freeze it. Well I should have known the ol' Filipino Pride would come out. My wife has been butchering pigs since she was about 10 but I had no idea what was about to happen. She got her knives and a water hose and I went to get the big ice chest. By the time I came back she had it half skinned and was whacking away. Before I could even sharpen my knives she had the skin off. I wanted to take a picture or two of the hog before we skinned it. But before I could get the camera she was done. Here's some pics:

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    This is the woman that outfishes all of us and cleans them and cooks them. She's NOT afraid to get her hands bloody. And she works fast. And what amazed me is she did it just like I've done it for years and I didn't show her. She knew already. I've been living with this woman for what, almost 12 years and I learn something new about her everyday.

    I don't think you can see in the picture very well, but the 150 grain Hornady Interlock was probably going a bit over 2900 FPS when it hit home above the shoulder. It pretty well flattened her. Didn't lose much meat but it took out a lot of bone.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    If I'd had the Garand today I think I could have shot at least 3. At only 25 yards, who needs optics? A 150 grain 06 would have flattened a bunch of pigs. Maybe next time.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,812 Senior Member
    If she doesn't mind doing that with a 6" butcher knife, I would buy her a very good 3-4" knife and keep it sharp for her. That is a good skill that most wives are not very interested in learning. I would let her cook it any way she wanted, to encourage her continuing participation.
  • bklysenbklysen Member Posts: 491 Member
    ..Before I could even sharpen my knives she had the skin off....

    Having a wife that just dives right in, what a bummer eh? :tooth: I might have 'lost' my knives for a while, hoping it'd all be done when I returned. Seriously, that seems a nice relationship. I'd be happy if my wife just cleaned fish.

    You could show how much you appreciate her by shooting 1-2/day and buying her a dedicated hog freezer for her birthday, or your anniversary....or Christmas.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    If she doesn't mind doing that with a 6" butcher knife, I would buy her a very good 3-4" knife and keep it sharp for her. That is a good skill that most wives are not very interested in learning. I would let her cook it any way she wanted, to encourage her continuing participation.

    Bisley, you don't want to give this woman a valuable knife. She is used to using what's in her hand for what ever she wants to do at the time. That means she has no respect for proper tools, LOL!!!I've been there, done that!!! :roll2:

    Not to say she doesn't know what she's doing. This woman can tie rebar and pour concrete with the best. She put the roof on our small shed in about 15 minutes. To say she's a go getter is a big big understatement. But in the Philippines they're used to doing with what they have and if that means they need a hammer and all they have is a crecent wrench, then the crecent wrench is now a hammer, :rotflmao:

    One of those knives in the picture is a $110 CutCo. And she has a big chip out of the blade and the tip is broken off because she needed it for a screw driver. I keep my tools hidden, :silly::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bklysen wrote: »
    ..Before I could even sharpen my knives she had the skin off....

    Having a wife that just dives right in, what a bummer eh? :tooth: I might have 'lost' my knives for a while, hoping it'd all be done when I returned. Seriously, that seems a nice relationship. I'd be happy if my wife just cleaned fish.

    You could show how much you appreciate her by shooting 1-2/day and buying her a dedicated hog freezer for her birthday, or your anniversary....or Christmas.

    Yes bklysen, she is very capable, but I have to catch her in the mood. I plan on getting more hogs, but I'm going to give her a rest first. When the sweet corn comes in at the end of this month, the hogs will be all over it. Carrie, our friend (and the land owner's daughter), and I will get a couple more then.

    Still, I'm a very lucky man having her around. She's moody, has a red hot temper, and can grind on my nerves when she's pissed off. But she's worth every minute of it to have for a wife.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The Filipinos are about the most industrious people I've ever met. Have you seen the body shops where they make the "Jeepneys"? Picture a dirt-floor shop with a piece of poured concrete in the shape of a Jeep fender, and a little guy with a chunk of flat sheet metal and a ballpeen hammer. Come back an hour later, and there's a fender ready for primer and paint! They build those things out of bare-bones nothing! The running gear is usually from some kind of Japanese 4-cylinder, but the bodies are pure WW II Jeep!

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    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The Filipinos are about the most industrious people I've ever met. Have you seen the body shops where they make the "Jeepneys"? Picture a dirt-floor shop with a piece of poured concrete in the shape of a Jeep fender, and a little guy with a chunk of flat sheet metal and a ballpeen hammer. Come back an hour later, and there's a fender ready for primer and paint! They build those things out of bare-bones nothing! The running gear is usually from some kind of Japanese 4-cylinder, but the bodies are pure WW II Jeep!

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    Jerry

    Yeah Teach, I almost bought a Stainless Steel Jipney (or as they pronounce it, Deipney). I still see that thing running all over Panai Island when we go to Boracay. We take the ferry from Bacolod City across the Channel to Ilo Ilo and rent a van to go to Boracay, which is on the North West Point of Panai. There's actually two of these Jeeps like that there that I know of. I don't know which outfit built them.

    Yes the Japanese 40-R 4 engine is in many jeeps. And Fuso engines are predominate in them, no matter what size. But I even saw one in Bacolod City with a small block Chevy in it. But the running gear is bullet proof. They last for ever.

    You're right, Filipinos are amazing people. They can do more with less than anyone I've seen except maybe Americans of the greatest generation. But I think that's partially where Filipinos get it. They were ruled by the U.S. during the time of that generation and it rubbed off. That and Filipinos have a great work ethic and are very creative people. I see that not only some firearms, but optic as well, are at least assembled in the Philippines now. That's a great relationship. Cheaper labor and better quality. Plus, even though the labor is cheaper, the Filipino people are very happy to have the jobs. It's still more money than they would get without these companies like Nikon being there.

    The Philippines made great strides while Gloria Macapagal Arroyo was president. She doesn't get near the credit she's due because the media there is kin to ours, a bunch of Commies. But she pushed laws that did away with a lot of government cooruption and helped the economy. During her time I saw personally the life style of the average Filipino improve. In Manila and Cebu you will find Mega Malls that will rival any here in the States. And she got a lot of foreign busnesses to invest and build there.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    Why to go Snake !!
  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Off topic, but don't forget the Cubans who have been patching up old cars since the late 50's.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    That's pretty well standard in many third world countries. But the Filipinos have their own style.

    My wife was raised dirt poor and worked from the time she was old enough to follow directions. Her daddy was a contractor and since most structures other than bamboo and Nipa are made of concrete, she learned all about it. The whole family knew concrete work. They also aren't alergic to elbow grease. They will work til everybody else drops and keep on going. I have really grown to love the Filipino people. Like Teach says, they are the most industrious people in the world and most have brains to match. On top of that, most are some of the most gentle people you ever want to meet. However, don't piss them off, they love to fight and they know how. Like my wife says, " We're small but terrible," :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I was somewhat impressed by the 8x57s performance with the 150 grain Hornady Interlocks. The load consists of 55 grains BLC-2 which is what I worked it up to. That load shows a MV of 2968 FPS through a 24 inch barrel. My barrel on the Yugo is about 23-23.5 inches so I figure it at 25 yards the bullet was doing at least 2940 FPS. It hit a lot of bone in the lower neck and made a mess of it. Didn't waste too much meat there, so that was a plus. But if it would have hit about 6-8 inches lower it would have taken out both shoulders and ruined a lot more meat. That's a bone breaking load for sure.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I spent several months in Angeles City at Clark AFB in the mid-1970's. If there was ever a scheme to separate an American GI from his money efficiently, the Filipinos either invented it, or at least perfected it. They could make us enjoy going broke!
    Jerry
  • shootershooter Senior Member Posts: 1,186 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I was somewhat impressed by the 8x57s performance with the 150 grain Hornady Interlocks. The load consists of 55 grains BLC-2 which is what I worked it up to. That load shows a MV of 2968 FPS through a 24 inch barrel. My barrel on the Yugo is about 23-23.5 inches so I figure it at 25 yards the bullet was doing at least 2940 FPS. It hit a lot of bone in the lower neck and made a mess of it. Didn't waste too much meat there, so that was a plus. But if it would have hit about 6-8 inches lower it would have taken out both shoulders and ruined a lot more meat. That's a bone breaking load for sure.

    Good job, congrats on the fine hog. I think you're onto something with the open sighted Garand. With 150 to 165 grain Interlock, SST or Gamekings, it would be a great hog getter from an 8 shot semi-auto. Go for it.
    There's no such thing as having too much ammo, unless you're on fire or trying to swim!
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    I spent several months in Angeles City at Clark AFB in the mid-1970's. If there was ever a scheme to separate an American GI from his money efficiently, the Filipinos either invented it, or at least perfected it. They could make us enjoy going broke!
    Jerry

    I figured you had spent time there. Anyway, if you really want to get to know the best Filipino you really have to get away from those bases. Actually I would say you need to get out of the Manila area period. Every prostitute and Sheister in the Archipelago is around that area. They're still there even though the bases have been closed for almost 20 years because they know many tourists go there. If you want to meet the real Filipino go to the Visayas or Mindanao and hang out around the baringays where you'll meet the good country people. Not to say they aren't on Luzon also. I have met some of the best there too, but there's so many Sheisters there it's hard to tell them apart. I had been to Manila many times but in 1997 i went down to Mindanao to Gen San City. It was a pleasant surprise. They were so friendly and no body had their hand in your pocket. The women weren't on the take either. They were just beautiful, religious, moral women, like most used to be here when we were kids. My wife is from Negros Occidental, a sugar and rice producing area with some of the best Mangos on the planet. I do love it down there. The people are truly wonderful.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,005 Senior Member
    I've almost been run over by a jeepney and had some enjoyable, although cramped, rides in them.

    Had some fun times in PI.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    I've almost been run over by a jeepney and had some enjoyable, although cramped, rides in them.

    Had some fun times in PI.

    I think all of us that have been there had some fun times, LOL!!! It's been going on 6 years since I've been there so I need to do like MacArthur and Return!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Well we, my wife and I, finally got all the hog processed yesterday. We had let it sit on ice for 4 days, draining off the bloody water. Now the meat is nice and we cut it up and put it all in freezer bags. It's about time to kill another one. I may drive out to Carrie's tomorrow and see if I can nail one with my 250 Savage and a 115 grain Combined Technologies bullet over 41 grains of RL 17 and a Winchester LR Primer. That load chronied at 3000 FPS BTW. I thought I was seeing things, but shot some other rifles with more conventional loads that I knew the MV of, and it all matched up. RL 17 is really something. It burns so smooth that it doesn't have a high pressure peak, just a long slow burn that really revs a load up. Also, the Combined Technologies bullets are really slick. I don't think they are true Moly Bullets, but they're slick.

    Anyway, I'll try it out on hogs. Then I'll try my .257 Bob AI. I'm going to blood them all as long as the hog population holds out. Sweet corn is coming in in the next week or two so there's going to be hogs running everywhere at night. If I can I'll kill a hog with every gun I have. Of course, my .270 and my .280 have both been blooded many times. But neither of my 30-06s have killed a hog yet. I'm going to fill our freezer and my mother's freezer and then give some to my friends. But Carrie's dad wants me to take as many hogs off his land as possible. Who am I to argue with the man?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,812 Senior Member
    I'm glad somebody is getting a chance to harass the feral hog population. I'm getting Mrs. Bisley caught up on a remodeling project I started 12 years ago, and I'm determined to get it over with so I can devote more time to the really important things in life, which of course is shooting and hand loading...and eliminating some of those tasty vermin.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Yes Bisley, you gotta have your priorities right. Besides I'm sure at the present breeding rate of these pesky Swine, there will be plenty left for you when you get through the honey do list. Been there, done that.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • AmcottsAmcotts New Member Posts: 3 New Member
    Nice photography, I came to know that Hog's meet is really delicious(some of the recipes I've. Only
    on paper. :P) but I also came to know that if you hunt them with dogs, their meat can be spoiled very
    soon. You can't store it more than a day.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Amcotts, I believe you to mean store as keep before refrigerating. That's true with hogs. In fact, I don't know how good the meat will be if you kept it out even just one day. It's important on a warm day (above 78-80 degrees) to get it chilled down relatively quick, but 2 or 3 hours is not usually going to hurt it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I blooded another rifle today, the .250 Savage I had built on a Howa 1500 Action. We drove down into the bottom this morning about 9 AM and could see the back of a hog rooting in the marsh. I laid the rifle across the windshield of Carrie's Husband's Golf Cart. The shot was about 150 yards. Just as I touched off the shot, the rifle moved about 1/8 inch and I shot it in the middle of the back instead of in the neck behind the head.

    But on a positive note, it dropped grave yard dead right there. The 115 grain Combined Technologies bullet performed flawlessly. It hit high in the back in the spine. This was a load of 40.5 grains RL-17. I think I have a great hunting rifle here. I can't wait to try it out on a whitetail.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,005 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    And why pray tell is that?

    By the way, you know the best thing to feed to hogs? Pomerainians.
    People say that about several animals run by dogs---- could be a build up of lactic acid; but, more probably the animal gets over heated and the hunters don't take care of the meat and get it cooled down fast enough.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    All I know is that a hog shot in the neck or head or along the spine will die quickly and the meat will be very good usually. I don't care for boars. Their meat can be stringy and strong. I've even had it with knots in it. Not sure what they were, but it caused me to throw the meat away. My favorite is about a 80-100 pound sow. The meat is very good and has no gamey taste if you treat it right.

    I'm not a dog hunter. My youngest son has done this with his buddies. He got a kick out of stabbing the hog with a knife. I don't like running through the weeds around here in broad daylight, much less in the middle of the night. Too many bad reptiles around here. My idea of hog hunting is very similar to deer hunting. I dump some corn on the ground and wait for Porky to show his/her face. That way I can take a good clean shot at it and make a DRT Bang Flop kill.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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