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WHAT?! Wiki says the 327 Mag superior to the 357mag.

TugarTugar Senior MemberPosts: 2,350 Senior Member
He's got a load listed....100 grains and 1874fps and 780ft-lbs when the closest factory load is 1500 FPS and 500ft-lbs. I call shenanigans!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/327_Magnum
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    I call shenanigans!!!!

    I call NN!!!
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Well I got to agree with ya Tugar... I have both the .327ruger and a .357 (6 shot, not 5 shot) as stated in the article....I know for a fact that my .357 will out perform my .327,anyday, anytime, anywhere... Where this person got his/her information from Heaven only knows.......If I remember correctly I think it was Breamfisher who pointed out to me a while back, that one can't trust or necessarily trust or believe all thats published on the Wikipedia sites, and I believe Breamfisher...
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Mods, quick delete this thread before NN sees it and it goes to his haid..:roll2::roll2::tooth:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Mods, quick delete this thread before NN sees it and it goes to his haid..:roll2::roll2::tooth:

    :silly::roll2::roll2::roll2::roll2::silly:
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    Ned knew it all along. He don't need no Wiki to tell him this.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,497 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    He's got a load listed....100 grains and 1874fps and 780ft-lbs when the closest factory load is 1500 FPS and 500ft-lbs. I call shenanigans!!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/327_Magnum

    The poster lists Ballistics by the Inch as the source (using a 5 1/2 inch barrel).

    http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/327mag.html

    The only info that I can find on that website shows this:

    Barrel Length -- 7"

    Load -- American Eagle 100 gr. JSP

    Velocity -- 1874 f/s

    Maybe the posters meant Ballistics by the Half-Inch website. :jester:
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    I call NN!!!
    Yep......Ken
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,954 Senior Member
    I have had a .327 100 gr soft point out of a 3.2" barrel out penetrate a .357 125 gr HP out of a 6.5" barrel.

    So there.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Welcome Aboard NN !!!

    You and your magic beans !!! :jester:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,954 Senior Member
    Why thanks Doc.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    I have had a .327 100 gr soft point out of a 3.2" barrel out penetrate a .357 125 gr HP out of a 6.5" barrel.

    So there.

    Well it should, a soft point will penetrate further (usually) than a hollow point and the .357 probably did what it was designed to do Expand/Mushroom! If you fired a .357 magnum soft point in your test, I'll bet it wouldn't deform as much as the HP and go deep(er).

    I don't see very many 125 grain SPs in .357, but they are usually 158 grainers. American Eagle does/did make a very decent 158 grain SP...for rural situations where over penetration usually isn't an issue. Used to be my "Highway Load".

    The .357 leaves the .327 in the dust with its versatility with heavier bullets because the little .327 feller just can't handle them.:tooth:

    In all honesty, I think comparing the .327 to a .357 is similar to comparing a 20 gauge to a 12 gauge. The 20 can do some things as good with less recoil, but the 12 trumps it with delivering a heavier payload.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,954 Senior Member
    Chief:
    The .357 leaves the .327 in the dust with its versatility with heavier bullets because the little .327 feller just can't handle them.
    There is no question that the .357 comes in heavier bullets and heavier than a .327;
    however, the .327 does come in a 130 gr hard cast, the box does not have the ft-lbs
    printed on it.

    The .327 is shot in some of the same handgun models that handle .357 shooting easily,
    not just those little handguns that get most of the press. And even some of those are ported.

    500 ft-lbs is 500 ft-lbs and 1/2" expansion is 1/2" expansion.

    You shoot .357 and I'll shoot .327 and .357.

    :yesno: :yawn:
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,350 Senior Member
    I like the idea of the 327. Getting 6 rounds in an SP-101 that approach 357 levels is attractive. Buffalo bore list their 100gr jhp and the 130gr hard cast at about 1390 out of a 3 inch sp-101.

    What I took exception to was someone listing a 1874 fps load with no documentation.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,497 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    I like the idea of the 327. Getting 6 rounds in an SP-101 that approach 357 levels is attractive. Buffalo bore list their 100gr jhp and the 130gr hard cast at about 1390 out of a 3 inch sp-101.

    What I took exception to was someone listing a 1874 fps load with no documentation.

    It's not exactly documentation but the poster does reference the (http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/327mag.html) website with a little (*) in the right column and at the bottom of the page with the other references.

    If anything, it's a poor reference since the page he refers to doesn't even have data for a 5 1/2" barreled Blackhawk! It does have data for a 7" test barrel at 1874 f/s, it also gives reference data for "real world" guns at the bottom:


    (Ruger SP-101 3.0625" barrel -- Federal 85 gr. Hydra-Shok -- 1385 f/s)
    (Ruger SP-101 3.0625" barrel -- American Eagle 100 gr. JSP -- 1422 f/s)
    (Ruger SP-101 3.0625" barrel -- Speer 115 gr. Gold Dot -- 1356 f/s)

    http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/327mag.html


    This data is "more" closer with what Buffalobore.com has on their website:
    http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=284
    As always, Buffalo Bore uses stock over-the-counter firearms to determine our published velocities, so the shooter will know what to expect in the real world. The industry wide use of extra-long laboratory test barrels, that generate unrealistic and exaggerated velocities, is dishonest to the customer. The below velocities were fired from my personal stock revolvers.

    HEAVY 327 FEDERAL Ammo - 100 gr. JHP (1450fps) - 20 Round Box

    1.1521 fps -- USFA Sparrow Hawk, 7.5 inch barrel
    2.1466 fps -- Ruger Black Hawk, 5.5 inch barrel
    3.1315 fps -- Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel


    I guess we could call it wishful thinking on the part of that poster. :love:

    Obvious lesson, careful with what you accept to believe online. :up:
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »

    You shoot .357 and I'll shoot .327 and .357.

    Do not sit on the fence NN; tell us what you really think.:roll2:
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Do not sit on the fence NN; tell us what you really think.:roll2:

    The .357 Remington Magnum reigns King... period over the .327. The little magnum has some good points, so does the .357 SIG (in name only) which in reality it is only a bottlenecked 40 S&W that shoots a souped-up 9mm projectile.

    Face it NN, the little **** has to stay on da porch when the big dogs come out...:guns::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,954 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Do not sit on the fence NN; tell us what you really think.:roll2:
    I cannot, I was almost :banned: at least once.
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