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Safe to carry a 1911 with hammer down?

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  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,259 Senior Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    Hammer down on a live round is the way JMB designed the 1911 to be carried , as evidenced by the original 1910 submitted to the Army trials. It didn't even have a thumb safety! Remember , it was originally intended to be a cavalry pistol , and them troopers liked to thumbcock their .45 SAAs. The thumb safety was added at the insistance of Army officers by Colt.

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    Good point. Guess I'll go do some more reading about this model.
    Randy

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  • temmitemmi Member Posts: 230 Member
    Buford wrote: »
    NOC 10 carried his 1911 that way. He had a bucket of sand he used when lowering the hammer and one day he needed that bucket. Cocked and locked bothers quite a few people but they like the 1911. It's not an unsafe way to carry it's just getting there that is the problem.

    This is what I think too.

    So I bought a Sig P220

    Snake
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    If you really want to carry a 1911 with the hammer down on a live round, there is one method to safely lower the hammer on a live round.

    Put your thumb in the apex of the hammer / firing pin and squeeze the trigger, this may smart a bit until you learn to shove your thumb in good, and ease it out lowering the hammer, done properly it is indeed the safest way to lower a hammer on a live round, once you learn / practice to do it properly, it will not hurt.

    P.s. practice with an empty chamber, this method is not for the faint of heart....
    If you fear the pinch, you will not push your thumb in hard enough, The hammer will not bite you if you do it correctly.
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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    If you really want to carry a 1911 with the hammer down on a live round, there is one method to safely lower the hammer on a live round.

    Put your thumb in the apex of the hammer / firing pin and squeeze the trigger, this may smart a bit until you learn to shove your thumb in good, and ease it out lowering the hammer, done properly it is indeed the safest way to lower a hammer on a live round, once you learn / practice to do it properly, it will not hurt.

    P.s. practice with an empty chamber, this method is not for the faint of heart....
    If you fear the pinch, you will not push your thumb in hard enough, The hammer will not bite you if you do it correctly.

    I always thought thta was half the reason for the wide flared hammers on the early guns. Less chance of slipping when pinched and lowered.

    Often called "the last cavalry pistol'' , the Polish Radom was undeniably influenced by the 1911 , but had a decocker instead of the safety of the 1911. That tells me it was intended to be carried hammer down on a live round and thumb-cocked.

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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    With My method, even if done incorrectly, the worst that can happen is a sore thumb, way better than a negligent discharge......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    I would love to see a 1911A1-style pistol with a Radom-style decocker! :applause:
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Why ? it would merely increase the parts count without increased benefits.

    I have learned what I feel is the most valuable lesson in personal defense, KISS or keep it simple, is also perhaps the greatest "Tactical" asset......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BargerArmsBargerArms Posts: 2 New Member
    Buford said:
    NOC 10 carried his 1911 that way. He had a bucket of sand he used when lowering the hammer and one day he needed that bucket. 
    Maybe im missing something but if your pointing at the ground, why do you need the bucket of sand just point it at the friggin dirt thats already on the ground it will dig in. So i dont get this
  • BargerArmsBargerArms Posts: 2 New Member
    Jayhawker said:
    rbsivley wrote: »
    The 1911 was designed with the safety mechanism by Browning. I don't think it had anything to do with lawyers.

    Yep! Keep in mind that the 1911 was designed to be used on horseback...hence the largely defunct lanyard loop...
    Mine has the lanyard loop works great while carring on my steel horse not going to lose it on the freeway or o er a cliffside road
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,498 Senior Member
    Buford said:
    NOC 10 carried his 1911 that way. He had a bucket of sand he used when lowering the hammer and one day he needed that bucket. 
    Maybe im missing something but if your pointing at the ground, why do you need the bucket of sand just point it at the friggin dirt thats already on the ground it will dig in. So i dont get this
    The bucket of sand was inside his house.

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