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Florida customer shoots suspects during Internet cafe robbery

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/florida-customer-shoots-suspects-during-internet-cafe-robbery/

"Authorities in central Florida say two men were trying to rob an Internet cafe when a 71-year-old patron began shooting his own gun, wounding the suspects.

Surveillance video shows two masked men entering the Palms Internet Cafe around 10 p.m. Friday. The Ocala Star-Banner reports one pointed a gun at customers while the other swung a baseball bat."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/florida-customer-shoots-suspects-during-internet-cafe-robbery/#ixzz20zbIrSRZ
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    What? Another one?
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,870 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Dang, I'm a couple days late and 5 cents short! I thought it just happened this morning.
    Not unless today's Friday (see what was copied in your original post.)
    I'm just here for snark.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Not unless today's Friday (see what was copied in your original post.)

    Well, it was on their front page. I'll just have to be more careful or else the bailiff will slap me on the pee pee..
    :jester::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    An Internet cafe, never been in one. Do they sell beer?
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    Note the gentleman had his finger off the trigger when he went to the door to make sure the cretins were gone?

    Hoooray for proper training and motivation.

    Dan
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Pops did do pretty damn good.:guns:
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Note the gentleman had his finger off the trigger when he went to the door to make sure the cretins were gone?

    Hoooray for proper training and motivation.

    Dan

    Looked like pretty good form with his first few shots also.

    I heard on the radio that the cops took his gun and some gun store owner is offering 1/2 price on a new one an trying to get folks to contribute to get it for him for free. hope they talk him into an upgrade to .45 acp.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member
    CCW 1, BG's 0...

    Sorry, don't want to appear racist but you all have got to see and understand that 80% of violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics...

    Does that not tell you something???
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,661 Senior Member
    More stellar journalism. The print says shooter is 71, the reporter in vid says 63..... :sly:
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    Sorry, don't want to appear racist but you all have got to see and understand that 80% of violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics...

    Does that not tell you something???
    Where did you get that statistic? And yes, it does appear racist. Criminals come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Criminals are "targets". Depending on the color of the background, dark or light, some present better aiming points than others.
    Jerry
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    As I undedrstand it, "Internet Cafe" down there is a code name for an online gambling establishment. Ever see a bunch of blue-haired grannies get their bingo game interrupted? It might be a good thing those scumbags got shot when they did!
    Jerry
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,587 Senior Member
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    CCW 1, BG's 0...

    Sorry, don't want to appear racist but you all have got to see and understand that 80% of violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics...

    Does that not tell you something???

    Exactly what should that tell me?
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I don't want to appear sexist, but you all have got to see and understand that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by humans with penises.
    I don't want to appear elitist, but you all have got to see and understand that the majority of violent crime is committed by poor people.

    ...No. That stuff really doesn't tell us anything at all.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Fact is, statistically blacks do commit a large majority of crimes vs their population density. A lot is black on black as they say, but still it is disproportionate.

    As Goldberg said on the Factor with Bill O the other night the problem needs to be addressed at the root cause, no family units for support for most, they (most) don't have any father figure because 72.5% of all black children are born outta wedlock. He said in the 40s/50s it was 15% and when LBJ started the Great Society Welfare it jumped to 25 % and has gotten worse since.

    This was a debate on Mitt addressing the NAACP and not saying what he should have because he would have been labeled a racist, that is, what the real problem is, taking responsibility which begins at home with responsible fathers........................
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Fact is, statistically blacks do commit a large majority of crimes vs their population density. A lot is black on black as they say, but still it is disproportionate.

    That kind of statistic, if correct, may be appropriate for some political discussions, but tends to offend without really making a valid point, when talking self-defense.

    There is no question that the 'black community' is burdened with some very poor public examples of lawlessness and social dysfunction, but there's nothing to be gained by embarassing an entire race by bringing it up in casual discussions. It is a very serious and sensitive topic that is usually torpedoed by people on both sides that intentionally misunderstand one another, or are too emotionally invested to be objective.
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,587 Senior Member
    I won't belabor the point, because a man I sincerely respect has already spoken to this tangent of the OP, but just to clear up some misinformation, according to FBI Crime data gathered for 2010, (2011 data is still in the preliminary stage)
    the distribution of violent crime in the U.S. is as follows:

    Arrests
    by Race, 2010
    [12,221 agencies; 2010 estimated population 240,100,189]

    Violent Crime
    White - Black- American Indian/Alaskan Native - Asian/Pacific Islander
    59.3% - 38.1%- 1.3% - 1.2%

    Property Crime
    White - Black - American Indian/Alaskan Native - Asian/Pacific Islander
    68.4% - 28.9% - 1.3% - 1.3%

    Here's a link: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls

    I live in the suburbs, where, as you can infer based on the proportions of populations, the percentage of each type of crime trends statistically much higher towards white offenders than non-whites.

    So what does this mean to me? Not a damn thing. If someone is threatening my life or my family's lives, the only thing that matters is stopping the threat.
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    That kind of statistic, if correct, may be appropriate for some political discussions, but tends to offend without really making a valid point, when talking self-defense.

    There is no question that the 'black community' is burdened with some very poor public examples of lawlessness and social dysfunction, but there's nothing to be gained by embarassing an entire race by bringing it up in casual discussions. It is a very serious and sensitive topic that is usually torpedoed by people on both sides that intentionally misunderstand one another, or are too emotionally invested to be objective.


    Nobody is trying to embarrass black people on here, the point is if they the politicians and the black community/leaders would face the problem for what it is (the breakdown of the family unit) we would have a lot less crime and those children would have a much better chance of staying clean and out of gangs if they had more family support and a father figure who stuck around to help raise and provide for them.

    We would also have a lot less illegitimate children whose mothers can't afford them or support them on their own and save bundles on welfare payments to boot. Crime rates would drop dramatically, as well.

    Dang, what a concept Personal Responsibility.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I've never asked anybody to ignore anything. I only suggested that serious subjects should be saved for those serious debates in which they are relevant to the topic. The 80% statistic is not only incorrect, but is completely irrelevant to this thread.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    Why was race even brought up in this thread? What the hell did it have to do with anything?
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    An Internet cafe, never been in one. Do they sell beer?

    Nah. It is a front for interactive networked gambling. Gambling in Florida is a no-no, so they get around it by calling it an "Internet Cafe" (around my city they call it the "American Legion Post"). The American Legion one makes a "charitable" donation to the troops (USO, VA, VFW, etc) to prevent being called a "gambling establishment", but they are. Their contributions usually amount to about 1% of their total haul. The ones around here are about 40-60% all profit after cost of business.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    bobbyrlf3 wrote: »
    I won't belabor the point, because a man I sincerely respect has already spoken to this tangent of the OP, but just to clear up some misinformation, according to FBI Crime data gathered for 2010, (2011 data is still in the preliminary stage)
    the distribution of violent crime in the U.S. is as follows:

    Arrests
    by Race, 2010
    [12,221 agencies; 2010 estimated population 240,100,189]

    Violent Crime
    White - Black- American Indian/Alaskan Native - Asian/Pacific Islander
    59.3% - 38.1%- 1.3% - 1.2%

    Property Crime
    White - Black - American Indian/Alaskan Native - Asian/Pacific Islander
    68.4% - 28.9% - 1.3% - 1.3%

    Here's a link: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls

    I live in the suburbs, where, as you can infer based on the proportions of populations, the percentage of each type of crime trends statistically much higher towards white offenders than non-whites.

    So what does this mean to me? Not a damn thing. If someone is threatening my life or my family's lives, the only thing that matters is stopping the threat.

    Bear in mind that "Violent" crime is any that involves physical touch... simple assault and battery are among them but are hardly very violent. The stat is a bit vague.

    Also, those percentages are based on the per-capita result.

    Let's say there were 10 murders each in two groups of varied populations:

    If group A consists of 1000 people who committed 10 murders, then your percentage is 1%. If group B consists of 100 people who committed 10 murders, your percentage is now 10%; this shows that group be, per capita, is 10-times higher likely to commit murder. Group A would have to murder 100 people to be as "statistically violent" as group B who murdered 10. And a 1000% increase is murder just ain't gonna happen within one group.

    You gotta read the stats right.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »

    Its a scam. Let em get robbed.


    Thank you, local police officer. You are a great asset to the law abiding taxpayers of your community.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Eli wrote: »
    Thank you, local police officer. You are a great asset to the law abiding taxpayers of your community.

    I edited out the honest part. So now all that is left is the bland conversational part.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    I edited out the honest part. So now all that is left is the bland conversational part.

    There was no need for that.

    I may have a problem with your opinion, but I will never have a problem with you STATING it.

    :beer:
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