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I picked up "Guns and Ammo's Book of the Model 1911"

breamfisherbreamfisher Senior MemberPosts: 13,886 Senior Member
It was "The Cooper Edition." About all the articles had a Cooper connection: the 1911 in IPSC, the MEUSOC .45, .45 ammo, Gunsite, etc...

But what I found interesting was "Cooper on the .45 Auto." Harkens back to 1974. Very interesting. In the article, Col. Cooper espouses the 3 basic things he felt a 1911 needed: visible sights, dehorning, and a good trigger (but not too light.) It also included a photo of 3 of the Col.'s personal 1911s. The sights were a Micro sight, S&W K-frame sights, and high-profile fixed sights. They also had extended low-profile strong-side safeties. One had a grip adaptor. None had elarged ejection ports, although he said that it was a good idea if one reloads.

But what got me was that all 3 pistols had a commander hammer, one with the lower 2/3 cut off, to go with the standard A1 grip safeties, modified to allow the two to interact without interference (remember, 1974: few if any beavertails.) Cooper's reason for mounting a commander hammer on a standard A1 grip safety? Cuts down or eliminates hammer bite. Seems the Col. might have decided that it's better for your service weapon to make the other guy bleed, not the operator...


Oh, and all 3 pistols had arched mainspring housings. See Wambli, Zed, and CPJ: Knitepoet, Eli, LMLarsen, and I know what we're doing....
I'm just here for snark.

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  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Knitepoet, Eli, LMLarsen, and I know what we're doing....


    Not sure I'd go THAT far. :tooth:
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    "By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society."
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    So the Col. liked arched mainspring housings.
    I prefer flat mainspring housings.
    But you also prefer arched mainspring housings.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
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  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

    Not yet, you ain't.....

    "Now let's see, where did I put my football bat? When I find it, I'm gonna repress the hell outta that feller!"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    In the Dark Ages, man (JMB) designed a perfect FLAT mainspring housing. Then in the Middle Ages, man (Cooper) thought to perpetuate the Arched abomination. Finally in Moder Times, man (common smart people) realized that the shoe wasn't broken in the first place and the 'fix' wasn't necessary. Being a superfluous idea after all.

    So, we are back to the way God and JMB designed it. Which is the correct way.
    (Can't believe I just wrote that second to last sentence. Guess "my hypocrisy knows no bounds.")
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,525 Senior Member
    To much caffeine???:uhm::popcorn:
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    "Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all. This job goes south, there well may not be another. So here is us, on the raggedy edge. Don't push me, and I won't push you. **** le ma?"
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  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    "Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all. This job goes south, there well may not be another. So here is us, on the raggedy edge. Don't push me, and I won't push you. **** le ma?"


    "The chain I beat you with, until you do as I command."

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,382 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Just because there are multiple people who are not only wrong, but have mishapen, ham like mitts, makes no nevermind. Wrong is wrong. John MOSES Browning got it right the first time.

    Aww man! Not this crap again!

    Even the SPEAR wasn't right the first time. John designed, the Army revised. That ping pong ball went back and forth a number of times well BEFORE the year 1911, and John was still around in 1924 to contest/advise the issue of the 1911A1 if he so desired. As the trials of 1911 and previous years were more about getting automatics to work, it's understandable the ergonomics took a few more years. Let's have no more of this "The First Time" nonsense.

    But it's odd how nobody seems to be craving new guns with John's original short spur grip safeties or frames without scallop cuts behind the trigger. . .

    I'm 6'3" with pretty long fingers, and I defy anyone who is not playing center in the NBA to get the last two digits of their trigger finger 90 degrees perpendicular to the face of a WWI-style long trigger, REGARDLESS of what mainspring housing is plugged into the rear of the pistol. Long triggers are a big part of why a lot of folk's rounds end up on the left side of their targets. For all but giants, they SUCK and belong only on pre-'24 guns for the sake of historical correctness.

    Mainspring housings? Meh. With flat, I need the sights to prevent gut-shooting; with arched, I don"t
    WWJMBD?

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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Damn I have both arched and flat and I don't notice the difference when I shoot them.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Eli wrote: »
    "The chain I beat you with, until you do as I command."

    :rotflmao:

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,886 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    He did the best he could with what he had at hand in parts and available gunsmithing. I don't recall aftermarket MSHs being readily available back then. I'm sure the Col would have seen the beauty of them (in function, feel and aesthetics) immediately had we had models with them from the factory or as aftermarket parts. BTW his other favorite gun the Bren 10 did not have saggy butt hanging off the back...

    Oh yeah, and you are just wrong. I'm done now :tooth:

    Aftermarket MSHs? Uh, yeah... 1911 surplus parts, maybe? He was on record (in the article) as saying that arched or flat should be done at the discretion of the user: this implies that flat were available and he had the option of getting such.
    I'm just here for snark.
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