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Will the .22 short ever become a cartridge of the Past?

robert38-55robert38-55 Senior MemberPosts: 3,621 Senior Member
I know most of us grew up with the .22 caliber in some type of firearm be it a single shot rifle or maybe a Mom's or Dad's hangun. I have always had a special place for the age old .22 cartridge. It's cheap (well used to be anyway) fun to shoot and practice with. A great caliber for introducing a new shooter to the world of firearms,etc.
We as gun owners and hunters have seen many a good cartridge come and go, some made it to the big time, some cartridges fell by the wayside many years ago. I remember when I was a kid and on Saturdays my dad would take me and my younger brother out to shoot the single shot .22 bolt rifle I had as a kid. My dad always seemed to have a pocket full of .22 shorts. I remember a box of .22 shorts back in the 1960's was about .50 cents or so. Then the .22 long came along,or it may have been there all along I just wasn't aware of it. Then a short while after that it seemed that every .22 rifle and handgun was being chambered for the .22 long rifle cartridge.
It seems like back in the day I had a hunting buddy who had an old semi-auto Remington .22 of some type, and IIRC (Correct me if I am wrong here),but I think that rifle he had, one could actually mix .22 shorts,long and long rifle in it. This was back in the mid 1970's so I don't recall 100%. I don't think Marlin, Winchester, or Henry is producing any rifles that chamber a .22 short specifically now a days.. Anyway the point is, I still use the .22 short in my single shot .22 rifles, and in my Hawes,.22SA revolver. I hope that little cartridge never completely disappears.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I remember rifles that were capable of firing .22 Shorts/Longs/Long Rifles. A big selling point back in the day. .22 Short ammo is still around, but not near as common as it once was. It was also a very good target round in pistols so designed around it like a High Standard semi I once owned.

    Of course, any .22 LR revolver will fire Shorts too. I don't know if it has faded down to the popularity level of say a .38 S&W or .32 S&w yet, but it's getting there.
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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    Interesting question. The answer is of course, no. Propellants will change, but the .22 will be around as long as we have guns.
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  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I remember rifles that were capable of firing .22 Shorts/Longs/Long Rifles. A big selling point back in the day. .22 Short ammo is still around, but not near as common as it once was. It was also a very good target round in pistols so designed around it like a High Standard semi I once owned.

    Of course, any .22 LR revolver will fire Shorts too. I don't know if it has faded down to the popularity level of say a .38 S&W or .32 S&w yet, but it's getting there.
    Well, as long as there are **** hunters, there will be shorts, cb caps etc. at least here in the East...
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,146 Senior Member
    I hope it does not.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    sarg1c wrote: »
    Well, as long as there are **** hunters, there will be shorts, cb caps etc. at least here in the East...

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I hope not. I have 4 rifles and 2 revolvers that I acquired specifically because they will work with shorts.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Don't underestimate the knock-down power of a short! Back when I was a kid we raised our own hogs as did about everyone else close around. My job was to shoot hogs as soon as cold weather came, usually around the middle of October. I used .22 shorts because it would get the job done with minimal damage to the brain which was also eaten.....usually scrambled with eggs.
  • justin10mmjustin10mm Senior Member Posts: 688 Senior Member
    I started out shooting .22 shorts. Kind of a funny story. When I got old enough to start shooting my dad gave me his old Marlin model 25 bolt action. He thought it would only shoot shorts and since I was too young to know any better that is all we ever shot in it for the first couple years. Then one day I noticed on the barrel it said .22 s/l/lr. . . . . . duh! After that I don't think I shot any more shorts out of it. :p

    Midway lists 6 loads including a hollow point so it seems the .22 short is still fairly popular. I might have to get a couple boxes to keep on hand for old times sake.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "Don't underestimate the knock-down power of a short!"

    Huh ??? :yikes:

    I think a toy revolver in .22 short is loads of fun, I can't see that changing any time soon.... not by any means a serious tool, but a fun toy....

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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,617 Senior Member
    Problem with shooting shorts is you build up a ring of chamber fouling where the case ends. This can cause a LR to fail to seat. The first rifle I shot was for shorts only, had a lot of fun with it.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Squirrel hunters who know what they're doing prefer .22 Short HP's. They're subsonic, but a head-shot squirrel isn't going anywhere. I've dropped several squirrels with shorts without moving from one well-camouflaged spot, and picked 'em up when I was ready to leave. All it takes is a good hide on a well-traveled route from a den tree to a food source to get a limit just after daybreak. The supersonic crack of a long rifle round spooks the other squirrels, while the pop of a short is almost ignored. My rifle is a Remington model 512 that belonged to my grandfather, upgraded with a good-quality 3X9 scope. I milled a set of dovetail scope mount slots in the receiver of the rifle almost 40 years ago, one of my first gunsmithing projects.
    Jerry
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    If you shoot your shorts, they will be full of holes...... :rotflmao:
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Gene, what you say about shorts building up a ring in the chamber is exactly what my Grandad told me when he gave me my Marlin 39A Christmas 1950 when I turned 12. He told me never to shoot shorts in it for this reason, so there must be something to it. When I killed hogs with shorts it was with a little Winchester '06 pump gun.
  • BullgatorBullgator Member Posts: 393 Member
    The .22 short in a bolt action rifle makes a silent vermin killer. It's not going anywhere. Now if it becomes relatively unpopular for some reason, the price will rise, but the cartridge will be here a long time.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Likely not AND I hope not.

    Here in Florida, we are constrained during small game seasons by "Wildlife Management Areas". If you choose to hunt on one of these lands, you are required to use only shotguns or rimfire rifles/pistols. The .22 of any design is invaluable to me, for example. And I thoroughly enjoy taking critters with my Winchester 62A pump using .22 shorts. Squirrel's worst nightmare.

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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,617 Senior Member
    Gene, what you say about shorts building up a ring in the chamber is exactly what my Grandad told me when he gave me my Marlin 39A Christmas 1950 when I turned 12. He told me never to shoot shorts in it for this reason, so there must be something to it. When I killed hogs with shorts it was with a little Winchester '06 pump gun.

    It used to be worse with corrosive primers. At least now you can remove the fouling with a brush.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    It used to be worse with corrosive primers. At least now you can remove the fouling with a brush.

    Here's what I've read on this issue. If you fire a steady diet of shorts in a barrel designed for shorts, longs and LR you get, I guess erosion or what ever. Then when you fire a say LR, we know what brass does at ignition in the chamber, and the brass fills that spot. You have an extraction problem or even a stuck case.

    This never happened to me nor have I ever seen it happen but I have read of it. I would think it would take a lot of shorts over a long time. Personally I haven't cleaned the bore of my .22 rifle in many years.
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  • justin10mmjustin10mm Senior Member Posts: 688 Senior Member
    I'm calling BS on this one. How many 10s of thousands of shorts would it take to erode out a LR chamber? I guess powder residue buildup would eventually make chambering difficult, but actually do permanent damage to the barrel, I don't see it happening.
  • conchokidconchokid Administrator Posts: 512 Senior Member
    Ditto to what Teach and JasonMPD said. I grew up in Texas and did a lot of squirrel hunting in my younger years. Over time I discovered that the best round for the job was the .22 Short HP. Not only a quick killer but quieter and more economical. One of my favorite rifles was also a Remington 512. With shorts, the tubular magazine held 22 cartridges, usually more than enough for one hunting trip.
    I've read many times that shorts will foul the chamber more than longs or long rifles, but I don't think it's enough to worry about. If you're worried about it, just remember to clean it well in the chamber area. I've also heard the same about overusing .38 Specials in a .357.
    I would love to find a Browning 22 Auto chambered for Shorts only at a good price. They go for twice what you'll pay for the LR version. It's another one of the many guns I wish I'd bought years ago, long before the collectors discovered how neat and rare they are.
    I'm not sure but I think Longs are now obsolete. The Long is merely the Long Rifle case with a Short bullet.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    How many .38's would it take to erode the cylinder on a .357 revolver? Lead and/or powder fouling might make a .22 LR hard to chamber after a LOT of rounds were fired.
    Jerry
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    I have a semi auto Sears (Ted Williams) that takes all three lengths. Sure looks like my dad's old Remington. Wonder who made them for Sears. I gave also shot enough .38 in my Dan Wesson .357 to either build up fouling or something so it had problems and hd to be taken to the "hospital" aka Rocky Mt. Gunsmith school in Golden. Just needed the cylinders bored.
  • Lonewolf-PeruLonewolf-Peru Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I remember rifles that were capable of firing .22 Shorts/Longs/Long Rifles. A big selling point back in the day. ....

    The first firearm I ever used was one of those, an old Sears model 41 single shot that my Dad bought in 1968.... still have that gun....
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,617 Senior Member
    justin10mm wrote: »
    I'm calling BS on this one. How many 10s of thousands of shorts would it take to erode out a LR chamber? I guess powder residue buildup would eventually make chambering difficult, but actually do permanent damage to the barrel, I don't see it happening.

    I didn't say erode, I said build up residue. Of course, if it's an old gun that shot corrosive primed .22s, it would, indeed, erode the chamber. The .22 LR will also leave residue where the case ends, eventually necessitating you clean the chamber before it will chamber a round.

    Also, Metalurgy has improved over the years so a regular .22 short shouldn't erode the chamber (or a .38 special cylinder, for that matter) but it will foul the chamber and cause extraction problems, after shooting a lot of rounds or no so many rounds, depending on the extractor.

    I shot about a dozen short cb caps in my O/U 22/410 and had to clean the chamber before it would eject.
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Since you can get .22 LR in every flavor under the sun, including those that match the performance of the vaunted .22 Short...they are irrelevant unless you have a gun that only shoots shorts.
    You can get the same performance in .22 LR for less money.

    Keep in mind, however that what's really driving the .22 Short sticking around. My understanding is that it's very popular among trappers precisely because it's even lighter shooting than the 22 long rifle - a good thing when you want to not only minimize pelt damage, but bone deformity that could cut into said pelt with something like a CCI Stinger or MiniMag. My beef wit hthe short is that I've found it to be even more expensive than .22 LR in most cases around here. I want to plink with it for for, but for the cost of two 100 packs, I can get a 500 round brick of bulk .22 LR rounds.
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  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    Only if Obama gets elected....
  • snake284-1snake284-1 Senior Member Posts: 2,500 Senior Member
    Interesting question. The answer is of course, no. Propellants will change, but the .22 will be around as long as we have guns.
    Yeah Dan, but the question was specifically about the short, or even the long. Yeah I agree that the LR will be around forever. But I haven't even seen a box of shorts in years.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,617 Senior Member
    The .22 short is still in active use in Olympic shooting. So it won't die, it will continue on in specialized roles. Kinda like the .32 Long in Centerfire. But for the average shooter, it's expensive and relatively hard to find. For general use, it's practically dead, although it has specialized use, like trappers and others. For me, squirrel hunting is exclusively the .22 LR, as you aren't always offered a head shot. My favorite shot on a squirrel is between the shoulders, as the head is a small target and I don't like to wound an animal.

    I haven't seen any LR that replicate the .22 short.
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,697 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I haven't seen any LR that replicate the .22 short.

    Close enough for Government work.....

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  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 661 Senior Member
    Do you mean you haven't seen them at your LGS or Wally World or you haven't seen them listed at say Midway or some other online retailer?

    By the way my local WalMart has 22 short(s) as does the LGS.

    The newish CCI Quiet 22lr round is very close to their 22 short TARGET round in numbers and MUCH less expensive. The Aquila SuperExtra is very close in numbers to their 22 short high velocity round. Then there is the Aquila Super Colibri. Or you may prefer the Remington CBee.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Don't underestimate the knock-down power of a short! Back when I was a kid we raised our own hogs as did about everyone else close around. My job was to shoot hogs as soon as cold weather came, usually around the middle of October. I used .22 shorts because it would get the job done with minimal damage to the brain which was also eaten.....usually scrambled with eggs.



    AHHHHHH I do remember that form my Carolina days woods... hog brain with scrambled eggs Yum Yum!!!! Been a long time for me. I also like the chitterlings too, sometimes spelled chitlins!!!!!!

    Teach wrote:
    Squirrel hunters who know what they're doing prefer .22 Short HP's. They're subsonic, but a head-shot squirrel isn't going anywhere. I've dropped several squirrels with shorts without moving from one well-camouflaged spot, and picked 'em up when I was ready to leave. All it takes is a good hide on a well-traveled route from a den tree to a food source to get a limit just after daybreak. The supersonic crack of a long rifle round spooks the other squirrels, while the pop of a short is almost ignored. My rifle is a Remington model 512 that belonged to my grandfather, upgraded with a good-quality 3X9 scope. I milled a set of dovetail scope mount slots in the receiver of the rifle almost 40 years ago, one of my first gunsmithing projects.
    Jerry

    Got to agree with ya Teach. I know when I was a youngin in NC and went squirrel hunting I also had some .22 shorts with me. I probably carried some longs and long rifles too, bu IIRC it was the .22 short that was my go to cartridge then.

    NN wrote:
    I hope it does not.
    I hope it doesn't disappear either I like the littel .22 short, getting kind of hard to find now a days, but when I do, I usually buy a box or two.
    "It is what it is":usa:
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