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Wolves in Washington
KSU Firefighter
Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
A wolf pack in Washington state will be exterminated because they have been preying on livestock. Pretty typical, both sides on the issue blame each other for the problem. The rancher thinks the state is out of control, the tree huggers helping to reintroduce the wolves blame the rancher.
But director Mitch Friedman told NBC station KING 5 that rancher Bill McIrvine, who lost part of his herd to the pack, "has total responsibility for the problem" for not being as cooperative as other ranchers with programs aimed at keeping cattle and wolves apart.
I do not see how he is supposed to keep them apart. Is the rancher supposed to put up a sign? Thats supposed to work in the gun free zones after all. I am glad to see the state is supporting the rancher by eliminating the problem pack. What think the rest of you? (Link Below!)
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14093139-gray-wolf-pack-in-washington-state-will-be-shot-dead-after-preying-on-cattle?lite
But director Mitch Friedman told NBC station KING 5 that rancher Bill McIrvine, who lost part of his herd to the pack, "has total responsibility for the problem" for not being as cooperative as other ranchers with programs aimed at keeping cattle and wolves apart.
I do not see how he is supposed to keep them apart. Is the rancher supposed to put up a sign? Thats supposed to work in the gun free zones after all. I am glad to see the state is supporting the rancher by eliminating the problem pack. What think the rest of you? (Link Below!)
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14093139-gray-wolf-pack-in-washington-state-will-be-shot-dead-after-preying-on-cattle?lite
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Adam J. McCleod
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Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
I've got to agree with you, but I think the Idaho method would be better.
Furthermore, they don't know what having a way of life impacted or destroyed is like because they don't work or earn anything.
To the over all issue though. This has been controversial since the very idea of wolf reintroduction was raised. Land owners and ranchers were of course against it because they live a lot closer to the land than some treehugging executive in his DC lobbying office. The former already deal with predator depredation on their stock. Heck even on their yard dogs and barn cats. While the latter takes money from people who make decisions based on what they feel rather than what they think. And science goes out the window.
Any wild life biologist worth her salt, (and my girl is one), will tell you that ethical hunting is the best tool they have in terms of managing big game populations. So, if you want to reintroduce a predator near the top of the food chain, then eventually the predator at the pinnacle of the food chain, us, will be your best management tool.
But the treehuggers don't want that. That's why they blamed this rancher. Now, some would say that this particular issue was on leased, public land. So that's different. My answer would be that we currently rent. So it may be my landlord's house, but it's my home. My home to manage under the parameters of my lease.
So this guy needs a different lease.
If I were king one of my first edicts would be that no wildlife management policy decisions, either legislatively or administratively could be made without sound scientific underpinnings and sound, peer reviewed studies. With some sort of best practices model using all tools available.
My $0.02. Adjusted for inflation in Obama dollars.
Gosh, I sure used, "tool" a lot. Must of still been thinking of cpj:roll2:
A woman was recently arrested and convicted of dropping parvo-infected puppies into wolf territory. Many locals donated money to her defense fund.
Adam J. McCleod
Their problem was the for got an S, the shovel part shot it and left it out in a field
But again no wolves here it was a stray.
Just like the tree hugger professors who wanted to turn the Great Plains states into the "Prairie Commons" park. Move all the people out and turn it back over to the Bison. Of course they were from New Jersey, no skin in the game, and they had no answer for how to replace all the food production capacity that would have to be lost.
Additionally, large packs of wolves would be reintroduced in Central Park in NYC, and the state of New Jersey, and anywhere else that the greens who pushed this mess exist. These packs would be exempt from killing for any depredations they may cause. They want to get all touchy-feely with the wolves, then they should be afforded the opportunity.
A 12 inch diameter post hole auger hooked up to the back of a tractor can make a lot of 'problems' rapidly disappear down a three foot deep hole.
― Douglas Adams
The hippie ****s want, "unlimited freedom for everyone, brah... we don't need no stinkin' government to be free!"
When, what they do by proxy, is opress the freedoms of the will of others by lobbying to change something in a region or state in which they don't reside and no proverbial dog in the fight. Wolves. Seems benign enough, right? I like wolves--cool animals. I think they should roam free again in (name your place). Now, the folks of this place who live and work off of the land have to deal with wolves artificially re-introduced where there were none in their lifetimes.
The freedom to own and keep their real property is encorached upon by law to protect a species that was re-introduced on or near THEIR LAND for no other real reason that to check off a box on some uber-conservationists checklist. Now, on THEIR LAND, they get in trouble for defending their livestock, i.e. THERE DAMN WAY OF LIFE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH WITHOUT WOLVES!
Stupid hippies.
These bleeding heart conservationists do "X" which makes peoples livlihoods faulter. Hence, they have deconstructed their pursuit of happiness. Now, you impose quack laws to protect "X" which did not need to be there to begin with, hampering their liberty. ANd in destructing their liberty and happiness, you have dampened their life.
You have now just effectively crushed, for those poeple, the way of life you expect and should hever have taken from you in this country. Good job, Libs.
Mystical and magical seems to be the theme with these morons, remember the idiot who took up residence with the bears up in Alaska and then got to comingle with the bear poo when his supposed kinship with the bears wound up putting him on the dinner menu.
There is a reason stupid hurts....anyone who didn't see that wreck coming was blind as a bat....unfortunate that he got his female companion killed in the process of "communing" with the large omnivores,,,
Saturday is opening day of deer season we have a week to harvest one buck deer. My home area has nothing left no deer or elk they have all been run off or killed by wolves or cougars. So now I will spend way more money to drive farther with still no real hope of getting anything.
There was a series of elk herds in Idaho that contained a population of 36,000 head. Now it is under 4000. People once relied on elk meat for feeding the family, now people stopped buying tags. This is the first year in my hunt zone that cow elk are prohibited. It looks like we have been forced to trade our elk tags for wolf tags.
Adam J. McCleod
"Hit the bear! HIT THE BEAR!!!"
Same guy who claimed it would be an "honor" to become bear scat...
It would be hard to concentrate on what an "honor" you were receiving whilst a large animal snacked on your innards.
Open them all up as 'predators' and kill when you see them. Just like coyote, fox and racoons,etc.
Deer and elk tag monies are huge in the budget of game, fish and parks, and mountain lion tags are not.
Kill em all. There will be enough survivors in the remote parts of the continent.
Bellcat
Or, find one of the gazillion small rivers/trout streams that have enough flow to them and make a carcass deposit. Some had chips implanted back when the PETA-whacko types thought reintroduction was a good idea...anonymity is protected. We have our first Wolf season this year, but some folks had remedies long before the Gov't types gave it the official OK.