Bead sight. Everybody knows you don't have to aim a shotgun.......
I go with this. You aim a rifle, you point a shotgun. The faster you can acquire the target the better. Aiming requires a few miliseconds longer and is necessary for the precision of placement of a single projectile. A shotgun, other than a slug gun for deer hunting, shoots a pattern of shot and doesn't require that degree of precision. You need to acquire the target fast. That's where a bead is superior.
actually, I think of the bead as training wheels. After I'm used to handling a particular shotgun, I don't even notice the bead is there. But it helps in getting me on point when I first start using a particular gun.
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Having used shotguns for the last 45+ years for hunting, culls, competition shooting etc, if the gun fits you properly, when you lift it to the shoulder it should shoot to where you are looking. Ask anyone who is experienced at hunting birds/shooting competition clays whether they look at the bead before taking a shot. I know I dont, all my attention is on the target, the gun naturally follows my eyes provided I have a proper cheek weld......
( I can see how inexperienced shooters will want some aid to 'aiming' however....)
Edited to add: Yes, my shotguns do have beads but I am never aware of looking at them.....
:agree: In all the quail hunting I did, I never remember looking at the front bead on the barrel. If the shotgun fits you properly it will shoot where you're looking.
My HD shotgun is an 870 with Hi-Viz rifle sights, extended magazine tube, and rifled barrel. It is set up that way because it is also my deer hunting shotgun. For deer hunting, I remove the extended mag tube to revert to five shots.(If you can't do the deer in with five shots, then three more aren't going to help.)
Edit to add: For HD it's loaded with 1 oz. Foster slugs. You can conceivably hide from shot(barrier like wall, etc.), not so easy when it's a slug.
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[QUOTE=tennmike;177329 For deer hunting, I remove the extended mag tube to revert to five shots.(If you can't do the deer in with five shots, then three more aren't going to help.)
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There are some ( actually only one) member here that will disagree with you about 5 shots............:devil:
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One other question- what about pistol grips? Not the ones with just the grip, I'm thinking full stock with a pistol grip. My 870 doesn't have one but as I've been fondling various shotguns in the store I'm liking the feel of it. I might end up switching mine over. Opinions on these?
Thanks again.
I would recommend taking a look at Phoenix Technologies stocks. They work great and come with a nice recoil pad. They have a Kicklite model that has a spring inside the stock. I believe its much better than Blackhawk Knoxx stock because the spring movement is straight back and forth unlike the Knoxx stock which reciprocates back and up smacking your cheek with every shot. I have the non Kicklite Phoenix technologies stock and its great. My buddy has the Kicklite and while i have to admit its pretty neat i prefer the non recoil reducing one with the very nice recoil pad. Here is a link to the stock im talking about.:
Sights on a HD shotgun makes no diff. You are going to point the thing. Get a pump. The sound of you jacking a round into the chamber will usually be enought for the perp to get the word and beat feet. You really don't want to shoot him if you can avoid it....then you'll have to buy a new rug, etc...
Use No. 4 shot, which is what cops load into that shotgun you see mounted on their dashboard. At close range, say 15', living room range, no. 4 shot will just about tear the perp in two. Birdshot at close range makes a nightmareish wound. I've seen the pictures in coroner's manuals. If you shoot at the guy with no 4 shot as he is running away you won't hurt him, which at that moment, you don't want to do anyway.
Shazaam. I may not be the most high speed low drag tactical operator in the world but I can tell this is a giant load. "The sound of you jacking a round....the perp....beat feet" Wow. My HD shotgun, like my 1911 and Glock and .357 and .38, are all always loaded and ready with a round in the chamber (revolvers aside, obviously), all I have to do is QUIETLY disengage the safety so the "perp" WON'T KNOW WHERE I AM before anything else happens. Like needing to replace my rug :roll: .
"If you shoot at the guy with no 4 shot as he is running away you won't hurt him, which at that moment, you don't want to do anyway." So.... bad guys can run faster than #4 shot? Well then, explain to my why the police have it in "that shotgun you see mounted on the dash". I'm pretty sure they do have occasion to shoot a running bad guy.
Please, for the love of god, do come back. I could use another good laugh.
Wow. Did I say that already? Whatever.... WOW again. They're coming out of the woodwork.
Aaaaannnnnddd back to the topic at hand. I will suggest to her, something with a full stock plus pistol grip and ghost sights with short barrel and extended magazine. With 870 and 500 leading the pack. Savage / Stevens and Benelli getting honorable mentions. I'll most likely also change the stock on my 870.
I probably bought the last available AR-style stock for a Winchester 1300 (unlikely, but you get my point), and I really like how it handles now. I kept the sling on it and it has a fiber-optic sight added on where the bead is. I like that it facilitates a fast sight picture acquisition, though as we all know, it's not as effective in the dark.
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Sights on a HD shotgun makes no diff. You are going to point the thing. Get a pump. The sound of you jacking a round into the chamber will usually be enought for the perp to get the word and beat feet. You really don't want to shoot him if you can avoid it....then you'll have to buy a new rug, etc...
Use No. 4 shot, which is what cops load into that shotgun you see mounted on their dashboard. At close range, say 15', living room range, no. 4 shot will just about tear the perp in two. Birdshot at close range makes a nightmareish wound. I've seen the pictures in coroner's manuals. If you shoot at the guy with no 4 shot as he is running away you won't hurt him, which at that moment, you don't want to do anyway.
17 years in law enforcement and the last 4 as a firearms instructor I have never heard of a patrol officer carrying bird shot. The only time I have seen anything different are breacher rounds for SWAT. If the pictures are in a coroner manual then IT HURTS THEM!
I would recommend taking a look at Phoenix Technologies stocks. They work great and come with a nice recoil pad. They have a Kicklite model that has a spring inside the stock. I believe its much better than Blackhawk Knoxx stock because the spring movement is straight back and forth unlike the Knoxx stock which reciprocates back and up smacking your cheek with every shot.
I second skipping the Knoxx stock. I took an 870 with one to instructor school. It was new and everyone wanted to try it. Most didn't shoot more than 10 rounds with it. We all had a distinctive mark across our cheeks from shooting it.
I had a Knoxx stock on a Maverick 88, pretty much a plain Mossberg, it was a pistol grip with a folding wire stock, either shooting that with just the grip of with the "stock" it was a dream, even after 60+ shots at a 3 gun match, maybe the wire played a part there? I like it so much that when I sold that shotgun I made sure to keep the stock to reuse whenever I get another Mossberg.
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The way the rooms and walls are laid out , the furthest possible (realistic!) straight line shooting distance inside my house is about 20-25ft. At that distance , I doubt I need to or will use sights.
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I go with this. You aim a rifle, you point a shotgun. The faster you can acquire the target the better. Aiming requires a few miliseconds longer and is necessary for the precision of placement of a single projectile. A shotgun, other than a slug gun for deer hunting, shoots a pattern of shot and doesn't require that degree of precision. You need to acquire the target fast. That's where a bead is superior.
actually, I think of the bead as training wheels. After I'm used to handling a particular shotgun, I don't even notice the bead is there. But it helps in getting me on point when I first start using a particular gun.
:agree: In all the quail hunting I did, I never remember looking at the front bead on the barrel. If the shotgun fits you properly it will shoot where you're looking.
My HD shotgun is an 870 with Hi-Viz rifle sights, extended magazine tube, and rifled barrel. It is set up that way because it is also my deer hunting shotgun. For deer hunting, I remove the extended mag tube to revert to five shots.(If you can't do the deer in with five shots, then three more aren't going to help.)
Edit to add: For HD it's loaded with 1 oz. Foster slugs. You can conceivably hide from shot(barrier like wall, etc.), not so easy when it's a slug.
― Douglas Adams
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There are some ( actually only one) member here that will disagree with you about 5 shots............:devil:
I would recommend taking a look at Phoenix Technologies stocks. They work great and come with a nice recoil pad. They have a Kicklite model that has a spring inside the stock. I believe its much better than Blackhawk Knoxx stock because the spring movement is straight back and forth unlike the Knoxx stock which reciprocates back and up smacking your cheek with every shot. I have the non Kicklite Phoenix technologies stock and its great. My buddy has the Kicklite and while i have to admit its pretty neat i prefer the non recoil reducing one with the very nice recoil pad. Here is a link to the stock im talking about.:
This is the one i have, non recoil reducing:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/****-269
And this is the recoil reducing one:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/****-282
And here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehNHOAlg-aI
Shazaam. I may not be the most high speed low drag tactical operator in the world but I can tell this is a giant load. "The sound of you jacking a round....the perp....beat feet" Wow. My HD shotgun, like my 1911 and Glock and .357 and .38, are all always loaded and ready with a round in the chamber (revolvers aside, obviously), all I have to do is QUIETLY disengage the safety so the "perp" WON'T KNOW WHERE I AM before anything else happens. Like needing to replace my rug :roll: .
"If you shoot at the guy with no 4 shot as he is running away you won't hurt him, which at that moment, you don't want to do anyway." So.... bad guys can run faster than #4 shot? Well then, explain to my why the police have it in "that shotgun you see mounted on the dash". I'm pretty sure they do have occasion to shoot a running bad guy.
Please, for the love of god, do come back. I could use another good laugh.
Wow. Did I say that already? Whatever.... WOW again. They're coming out of the woodwork.
17 years in law enforcement and the last 4 as a firearms instructor I have never heard of a patrol officer carrying bird shot. The only time I have seen anything different are breacher rounds for SWAT. If the pictures are in a coroner manual then IT HURTS THEM!
I second skipping the Knoxx stock. I took an 870 with one to instructor school. It was new and everyone wanted to try it. Most didn't shoot more than 10 rounds with it. We all had a distinctive mark across our cheeks from shooting it.