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CMWCMW MemberPosts: 53 Member
Im customizing a mauser action with a 30 inch target barrel in .230 Ackley barreled by Ackley himself in the 60's. Im either going to go with a classic target or a tactical target look. For the classic i was considering a Richards Microfit target style stock and a Unertl or Lyman scope. For the tactical was thinking a mil/mil or target scope and my own custom stock. My own stock is a epoxy composite molded stock(my own mold) with adjustable LOP and comb with a standard style grip. The forend is flat for sand bags and is set at an angle. The action is not drilled or tapped for mounts but has been for a receiver sight, so that leaves options open as for scope and mount type. And im thinking I'll go with a black duracoat finish for the tactical and maybe a blued or duracoat finish for the classic target.

I am open to suggestions, and ALL are appreciated!

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"Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,152 Senior Member
    Tactical rifles are a dime a dozen, and should be chambered in something. . .well, tactical. There's always time, money, and faceless Remington 700 actions to build them on.

    You've got a barreled action that was spun up by none other than the master experimenter himself. Ackley is a guy any modern precision rifle reloader owes a debt to. Show a little respect and build the action how he wold build it, with the materials and equipment he would have had available.

    Yes, you can make a 1961 Ferrari 250GT California faster by dropping in a small-block Chevy, cutting a hole in the hood, and adding a blower, but that doesn't mean it's right.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    :drool2:I absolutely love the classic style but ive also had a itch to get my custom composite target stock on a mauser. I guess ill have to put it on my dad's 308 for a test run. The other thing slowling me down was money, my target stock was "free" to me and blueing is a lot more than duracoat. besides it will cost me around 600 to 1100 dollars just to be able to start reloading for it. this gun may end up being worth more than it's weight in gold
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,425 Senior Member
    To me, "tactical" and "Mauser" should not be used together.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • snake284-1snake284-1 Senior Member Posts: 2,500 Senior Member
    CMW wrote: »
    Im customizing a mauser action with a 30 inch target barrel in .230 Ackley barreled by Ackley himself in the 60's. Im either going to go with a classic target or a tactical target look. For the classic i was considering a Richards Microfit target style stock and a Unertl or Lyman scope. For the tactical was thinking a mil/mil or target scope and my own custom stock. My own stock is a epoxy composite molded stock(my own mold) with adjustable LOP and comb with a standard style grip. The forend is flat for sand bags and is set at an angle. The action is not drilled or tapped for mounts but has been for a receiver sight, so that leaves options open as for scope and mount type. And im thinking I'll go with a black duracoat finish for the tactical and maybe a blued or duracoat finish for the classic target.


    I am open to suggestions, and ALL are appreciated!

    If you try to make a modern tactical rifle out of that, you're spinning your wheels in liquid mud. If you want something modern looking, get modern components and build something popular. That rifle is a piece of history. Keep it as original as you can or it loses a lot of asthetic value and it will never measure up to anything built modern as far as target shooting goes. there's just too much technology out there to compete with things built today. Leave it in its period correct form. Like was said, you'll get a lot of looks and attention and you'll enjoy it a lot more.
    I'm Just a Radical Right Wing Nutt Job, Trying to Help Save My Country!
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,761 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I wish I had a picture of the one I am talking about. Jerry?:tooth:

    I think I know which one you are talking about!! The image is burned in my retina,:vomit: I don't need a picture!!
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    Well it looks like i will either be buying a RM stock or sending my own black walnut blank to them. Now i just have to decide on the right period scope(i'm thinking 20x unertl) and the right stock.
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I wish I had a picture of the one I am talking about. Jerry?:tooth:

    Sorry, folks, I think a photo of that one would make the pic file on my computer crash! I call that one his "ugly gun", but he loves it! BTW, that young man was severely injured by a piece of woodworking equipment at work, and almost lost his left thumb. Send a few good vibes his way if you can.
    Jerry
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,761 Senior Member
    CMW wrote: »
    Well it looks like i will either be buying a RM stock or sending my own black walnut blank to them. Now i just have to decide on the right period scope(i'm thinking 20x unertl) and the right stock.

    I like your plan, keep a classic, classic!! It's my kind of project, reviving a one of a kind, piece of history!!
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,657 Senior Member
    I am unable to add more than what Wambli and others have already said. I hope you share your finished product if you decide to go Classic with your customization.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member

    I'm thinking this stock from RM and this scope


    the stock would be in AAA claro walnut
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Good choice! I was about to suggest a laminated stock for rigidity, plus they're a good bit heavier than a solid wood item. Do a pillar-bedding job and use Brownell's Steel-Bed for the action and the first inch or so of the chamber.
    Jerry
  • snake284-1snake284-1 Senior Member Posts: 2,500 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Good choice! I was about to suggest a laminated stock for rigidity, plus they're a good bit heavier than a solid wood item. Do a pillar-bedding job and use Brownell's Steel-Bed for the action and the first inch or so of the chamber.
    Jerry

    Brownell's Steel Bed is some great stuff. I have a 12 OZ plastic container of Brownell's atomized Stainless Steel you suggested Jerry. I mix it with Brownell's Acra Glass to make my own Steel Bed, same thing, but I've used the regular Steel Bed product too. Either way it's the best way to go.

    Also, I was going to suggest a Boyd's Laminate Stock. I have one in Pepper Laminate and it is not only sturdy, it's beautiful. I finished it with Poly Urethane according to Boyd's instructions. It was easy and looks like ten million bucks. This is MY KIND of project. I am interested in seeing a pic of your finished product, CMW. I get my rocks off on any kind of nice Mauser. I don't have as many as Teach and Big Al, but I'm working on a nice collection. I have three completed and two more on the horizon. My first was an old Mauser action I got for cheap with 5 for like $30 back in the late 80s from an importer known as Fed Ord. I had it barreled in .280 Remington. I also have built a .257 Rob. Ackley Improved on a Yugo. I have one more Yugo I had sporterized and left the Mil Surp 8x57 barrel in place. That is not a bad round either. I have one more Yugo Mauser doner rifle for another build. It may be a 6mm Remington or some sort of 6.5s. I also have a Zastava action for a future build.

    If I'm repeating this, just know that the reason is not my CRS so much as it is my love of Mausers. I love to talk about them and shoot them and have them sportered and rebarreled. They make about the coolest looking bolt gun on the planet.
    I'm Just a Radical Right Wing Nutt Job, Trying to Help Save My Country!
  • rapier5316rapier5316 Member Posts: 312 Member
    To me, "tactical" and "Mauser" should not be used together.

    Has anyone told the Wehrmact or Israel for that matter.
    "The power of the United States has peaked, oppression follows." Robert Prector, Socionomics.net
  • rapier5316rapier5316 Member Posts: 312 Member
    I'd might suggest somewhere inbetween, enbetwixt, a hybrid.

    A classic type of a stock with a more modern target type scope. Making the homage with the lines of the stock with the upgrade to modern glass with a bit more robustness.

    A full "tactical" treatment is better done with tactical/logistical conditions in mind. You are urban dweller Zombie food if you have to reload rounds while blasting.
    "The power of the United States has peaked, oppression follows." Robert Prector, Socionomics.net
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    I still havnt decided on a linseed rubbed walnut stock or the laminate. I know the linseed is more of a classic and i love how the lines in the walnut pop out with a good amount of oil rubbed in it. I know the laminate was also used and it is more solid of a piece and easier to finish.

    Also does anyone know how resizing .243 bullets down to .230 would affect the accuracy if i used 3 or 4 dies in succession to get rid of the extra .013 inches, or should i just custom swage my own. And if so does any one know alot about swaging. i read alittle but i dont know the equipment i will need to do it or the finer point of doing it
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,761 Senior Member
    I was just wondering....you said it is barreled on a Mauser action. P.O. Ackley had his own Mauser action made for him by a company in Japan, back in the 60's. It would say P.O. Ackley Salt Lake City, Utah on the left side of the receiver. They are pretty rare since they were only about 200 actions made and 50 in LEFT HAND.
    It resembles a Mark X action, and also says Made in Japan on the flat under the front ring, in front of the recoil lug.
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    It is a sporterized military action with only a very very short serial number stamped on the side. The stripper clip ears are ground off and the only other stamping on the guns is where it says "P.O. ACKLEY .230" on the barrel. I think it is a zastava or a FN. Whatever make it is, it is a really really early reciever.
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    CMW wrote: »
    Whatever make it is, it is a really really early reciever.

    Over 200 MILLION 98 Mausers were made in armories all over the world between 1898 and the late 1950's, and that doesn't count the copies made by various commercial operations. Without some proofmarks to go by, it's virtually impossible to establish when and where one was made.
    Jerry
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    I know it isn't commercial but it is a really really nice action and looks very well machined. Who ever made it did a Really Good job. I'm just happy that the serial number is low. I think it is pre ww2 do to the serial number and craftsmanship but I could be wrong. I guess I will never know.
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
  • CMWCMW Member Posts: 53 Member
    Made progress in reloading for this rare wildcat cartridge.
    I'm getting .234 diameter bullets from shroeder bullets - price not available yet
    Hornady hydro case forming dies - $200
    Lee custom reloading dies - $100
    I can load 45 grains of 4350 behind a 75 grain bullet and push it over 4000 fps :cool2:
    stock-RM Markxman style (as in picture) with 1/2 inch pad and swivel studs - $245
    Scope lyman/unertl target scope - about $800
    total - about $1500
    "Life is tough, it's tougher if your stupid." - John Wayne
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