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killpilla
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Why dont us military use glocks?
killpilla
Posts: 50 Member
If Glocks are so good, why doesn't our armed forces use them as their primary sidearm?
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They would have had to remain as is with no mods for the general force.
That is not to say that a Glock with some aftermarket tuning is
not a usable handgun.
And, they're made of PLASTIC!
Changing sidearms for the whole of the military is a huge, expensive undertaking.
When I was assigned to the 194th SAB, we were the field test-bed for the Armor Center/TRADOC, both at Ft. Knox KY ('89-'92 when I was there). As well as being a rapid deployment force for XVIII Airborne Corps. One test trial we had was the Glock 17......we punished the hell out of that platform as only tankers could.....and it passed our abuses......but the Army said Nay because it lacked an external safety lever. That and the Beretta conspiracy...
Only special ops with their open TO&E policy gets to play with 1911s for now.
The "advances" that the military are really looking for are ways to destroy tanks, penetrate bunkers, and shoot around corners. Small arms are small potatoes, and with limited funds, the priority goes to the more strategic toys.
I've got my handgun preferences, same as anyone else, but at the end of the day, one functional combat autoloader is pretty much as good as another, and so long as I have access to rifles, MG's, shotguns, and on-call artillery, I'm not overly concerned with what it is.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
That is all I ever had, loaded with flare rnds and tracers.
A friend was a heli-borne USMC mortarman. His personal weapon was a M9, but he always tried to get an M16. Of course if he was using his firearm, things had gone bad.
hopefully uninjured from the nylon let down.
The Beretta is a good platform, minus the o-s*** spring under the right hand-grip panel, and the wonky safety-decocker on the slide.....and the fixed sights.....but an open ejection slide with the Browning II design of internal lugs. Make it in .45 with a 10 rnd capacity, and we wouldn't be talking about it so much.
Don't know how the Navy does it now, but when I was serving the sidearm for armed security watches and Petty Officer of the Deck was an unloaded 1911 in a flap holster with two magazines in a mag pouch on the duty belt. There was a long standing reason for that.
Back in the good ol' days, the sidearm was cocked and locked with a round in the chamber and safety in the ON position. During relief, the magazine would be dropped, the round in the chamber ejected, and pistol, magazine, and loose round turned over to the relief watch. You should be able to see where this is going. Say you're on the midwatch (0000-0400) and your relief arrives on time at 0400. Both are sleepy. During the weapons clearing the safety is inadvertently swept to OFF and the booger hook finds the bang switch as the person attempts to pull back the slide. Nothing good comes of that even with the horribly stiff trigger pulls on those pistols. So that caused the rule change that had the pistol to remain unloaded and two mags on the opposite side of the duty belt.
Pulling, loading, and deploying the pistol from a flap holster took precious time. That is why the use of explosively loud and harsh language is used during this brief period to disorient the questionable person. I was considered pretty darned good in the explosively loud harsh language bit. :tooth:
― Douglas Adams
Some of them do.
That's a lot of wrong people.
Must be a Glock scared you when you were a kid...
up on the lead tank and putting a .45 to the Lt Col's head. It was in the early 80's.
Great relationship with an ally, hey.
And AKs as well.
Oh no, Beretta conspiracy? Now you must indulge me!!!
So perhaps they could do a gen 5 with a grip safety. That would keep from changing the desing to much and that comfort to those who need it. Dont get me wrong, I'm not a 'Live by the Glock, Die by the Glock' guy. Just simply curious cause they say "Glock perfection" yet our soldiers dont use it, but I have had allot of great answers here and thank you all!
That is one of the biggest loads of crap that I've seen on this forum. Unbelieveably ignorant. You really shouldn't talk about something you know nothing about.
Oh, and what's the problem with a safety on the trigger? Keep your freakin' finger off the trigger unless you want the gun to fire and you don't have a problem. And by the way, that is not the only safety function on a Glock. Only external, yes. But as a system, it works fine.
word of the wise.
You freakin' read my mind! :roll2: I was just too lazy to look it up......
I'm a pretty as easy going fellow.....but I gotta say, you are so wrong on this. Accidents waiting to happen have been proved to be NEGLIGENCE! If you ain't smart enough to handle a Glock, then maybe you're not smart enough to be around ANY firearm!