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Removing Darwins first law from society.....

orchidmanorchidman Senior MemberPosts: 8,364 Senior Member
I know I am preaching to the 'converted' and am not telling you anything you don't know already in my next comment.

Society is determined to remove one of the basic tenets of life on earth, the 'Survival of the Fittest'.

Now I know this will not come as a surprise to you but it seems to me that each day we are being faced with new 'rules and regulations' that are 'dumbing down society' to the point where there is a 'rule' for just about everything, from putting your shoes on in the morning to climbing trees.

Take this latest example.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/calls-quad-bike-roll-bar-mandatory-in-nz-5331961

Quad bikes can be dangerous. I know that for a fact having had a few 'whoopsies' over the years I have been riding them. All of the 'incidents' were a result of me, the 'individual' stretching the boundaries and 'over reaching' my and the bikes capabilities.
That's the way we learn to survive. Those that don't survive provide valuable lessons to the rest of us.

The old saying 'You cant legislate against Stupid' springs to mind.

One of the incidents refered to in the above link relates to a quad that was carrying 4 adults and a young child and alcohol was involved. Seems to me that in that incident the presence of 'Stupid' would have made any safety measure 'redundant'. If 'stupid' hadn't been present, the incident would not have happened.

Its a huge big world out there and life is dangerous.

I am getting tired of being treated like I am part of 'Stupid'.

Rant "off'.

How many of you would fit a 'roll bar' like the one shown on your quad bike........just curious.
Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....

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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,032 Senior Member
    How about a " spherical roll cage" around my scotter

    JAY
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    .....How many of you would fit a 'roll bar' like the one shown on your quad bike........just curious.

    And one of these.........

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  • Vic's ViewpointVic's Viewpoint Senior Member Posts: 1,221 Senior Member
    Alex, mankind is the only warm-blooded mammal that routinely - ROUTINELY - fouls its own nest. In the natural world any mammal that fouls its own nest is simply too sick/old/infirm to move, and is near death. And since the only natural predator
    mankind has left is mankind itself, Darwin's First Law is being suppressed almost everywhere except the battlefield. Our
    leftist leaders are only too happy to protect the halt and lame of mind, spirit and body since such organisms simply represent
    more grist for their socialist mill. Why do you think American presidential administrations have been so lax about illegal aliens?
    They represent cheap labor for the Republicans and willing en bloc votors for the Democrats. Neither party wants Darwin's laws
    enforced, especially that first law. Greed and cynicism abound.
    Member formerly known as "vlafrank."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Nope! Not going to put one of those 'sissy bars' or a rubber doughnut on my quad. The one wreck that I had and got hurt, neither would have helped. I was coming off the ridge on a logging road, right front wheel dug in, the quad flipped forward launching me. The quad flipped corner to corner and came to rest wheels down on top of me. I was lying on my back with a good view of the trailer ball bolt that had just smacked me in the outside corner of my left eye and cut me enough to bleed really good. Right side of my pelvis was cracked when the quad landed on me; Aleve is good stuff to kill pain. I pushed the still running :cuss::cuss: infernal machine off me, rode down to the house, and chalked it up to going too fast on a wet logging road covered in 6+ inches of wet leaves. I rode back up the ridge a couple weeks later and found my glasses that got knocked off in the wreck; glad I had spare glasses.

    On legislating stuff like that, it's impossible to idiot-proof any device because the 'fix' grossly underestimates the natural ability and ingenuity of idiots to circumvent safety devices. And riding a quad and carrying multiple passengers on it while drinking; that's asking for trouble, and it's asking for trouble when sober, too.
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  • ArtemisArtemis Member Posts: 124 Member
    Well look on the bright side, Mother Nature always finds a way to even the score. All the successfully dumbed down humans have happily traded their 'survival tickets' for a cushy gig.......they just fail to acknowledge that old chestnut "all good things must come to an end". They have no fall back plan and when it goes very wrong they'll probably end up on the menu, as opposed to those with a dinner invite.
    The moral, let the stupid and the weak fall off the learning curve, it leaves more room for the rest of us.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,126 Senior Member
    Well, if I were to ride a quad in NZ; I'd want one because your already
    upside down down there.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,327 Senior Member
    The saying goes that the Meek shall inherit the Earth, and it's pretty obvious that they have.

    It's pretty obvious that this isn't a good thing.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,985 Senior Member
    Nuts - this is decades after "they" forced the 3 wheelers out of the market. You had to know HOW to ride one of those, but the 4 wheelers were "oh so much safer" - and only half the fun of the 3s...

    Bah!
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  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Survival of the fittest refers to the natural world.
    It's the opposite of Christs teaching.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    Survival of the fittest refers to the natural world.
    It's the opposite of Christs teaching.

    Humans are NOT outside the natural world. Hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanic activity, earthquakes, and other natural disasters affect humans as much as the animals. We are subject to disease, starvation, and death from bad choices just as much, if not more than the other animals. Those with strong immune systems, the ability to plan for and prepare for natural disasters, and refrain from making stupid choices live longer than those who do not.

    While I will inform someone that they are doing something stupid, and why, I will not deter them from proceeding unless my safety would be compromised in which case I will stop them with up to and including a 2 x 4 up side their head. Life tends to give the test first, and the lesson afterwards.
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,907 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    While I will inform someone that they are doing something stupid, and why, I will not deter them from proceeding unless my safety would be compromised in which case I will stop them with up to and including a 2 x 4 up side their head. Life tends to give the test first, and the lesson afterwards.

    You always make yourself out to be the savior/judge. Have you EVER done anything "stupid" in your life, or are you THAT perfect individual?

    A lot of you seem to represent that you have never, ever, done something that would be considered stupid, immature, unreasonable....etc.

    But is that really the case? Or is it that you are just much older (wiser) now and have forgotten what it was like to be young?

    I am by no means young (40) anymore, but I don't hold an attitude against younger people that (seemingly stupid) are willing to push their own boundaries.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment."
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    Funny thing is that Darwin didn't use "survival of the fittest" like we use it...
    I'm just here for snark.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Darwin culls out a large majority of the young, stupid ones, so us oldtimers who survived our stupidity don't have to put up with as many old, stupid people. Some people learn from their mistakes. If they don't, it's better for all concerned if they're not around to have a bunch more stupid attacks.
    Jerry
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Michakav wrote: »
    You always make yourself out to be the savior/judge. Have you EVER done anything "stupid" in your life, or are you THAT perfect individual?

    A lot of you seem to represent that you have never, ever, done something that would be considered stupid, immature, unreasonable....etc.

    But is that really the case? Or is it that you are just much older (wiser) now and have forgotten what it was like to be young?

    I am by no means young (40) anymore, but I don't hold an attitude against younger people that (seemingly stupid) are willing to push their own boundaries.

    Well, now that you mention it, I have done some stuff that could have killed me outright, but it didn't and I learned from it. Like a year after getting my explosives license(which I let lapse) I set up too close to a concussion detonation string. It was exhilarating to find myself still alive. I've also cut quite a few trees that kicked back, or the trunk split and nearly took me out, but just mangled the chainsaw bar instead. I've survived a few spectacular car wrecks from DWBS(Driving While Being Stupid), and I managed to roll a D-6 Cat once; actually it rolled over three revolutions and came to rest on the tracks against a really big tree. Two people observing noted afterward that I didn't say anything until the thing came to rest against the tree, then turned the air a very bright violet with naughty language. A bulldozer on a huge slab of rock tilted at a good angle is like a hog on ice; lesson learned. Glad the Cat was equipped with a seat belt, and even more glad I used it. And one time I thought that a mix of gasoline and diesel fuel would be good to get a brush pile burning; seeing stumps lofted into the air and dodging the stuff as it rained down was pretty funny afterwards. And a bunch of other stuff over the years. I survived the tests and learned the lessons afterwards.

    I've made my share of mistakes, and learned from observing others do things that weren't all that smart. So I will continue to tell people that something isn't safe, and why, but they can take the advise or proceed at their own risk. Life is full of choices; choose wisely and listen.

    Be careful climbing off that high horse; falls are a leading cause of injury.

    I'll leave this with a quote from a smart man:

    "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." Douglas Adams
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment."


    If you don't mind, I think that might become my new signature. That's pretty profound, did you coin that or is it a quote?


    And Michakav, in all honesty, I kinda felt that way also until I met Mike at the SE shoot a few years ago. I was absolutely wrong about my preconcieved perspective about Mike and after I met him, I really came to like him and actually have a (don't get a big head Mike) good deal of respect for him. He's one of the biggest paradoxes that I've ever met as he's a good old country boy with a knowledge about farming and livestock along with a huge knowlege about the operations of a nuclear, coal, or gas fired generating plant.

    You really should attend a SE shoot.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,907 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    I've made my share of mistakes, and learned from observing others do things that weren't all that smart. So I will continue to tell people that something isn't safe, and why, but they can take the advise or proceed at their own risk. Life is full of choices; choose wisely and listen.

    Be careful climbing off that high horse; falls are a leading cause of injury.

    I'll leave this with a quote from a smart man:

    "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." Douglas Adams

    Understood.

    But, I would have to wait for you to get off the horse before I ever thought about getting on it.
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,907 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    If you don't mind, I think that might become my new signature. That's pretty profound, did you coin that or is it a quote?


    And Michakav, in all honesty, I kinda felt that way also until I met Mike at the SE shoot a few years ago. I was absolutely wrong about my preconcieved perspective about Mike and after I met him, I really came to like him and actually have a (don't get a big head Mike) good deal of respect for him. He's one of the biggest paradoxes that I've ever met as he's a good old country boy with a knowledge about farming and livestock along with a huge knowlege about the operations of a nuclear, coal, or gas fired generating plant.

    You really should attend a SE shoot.

    Great point. It is hard to judge someones true personality over an internet forum. I really was just making an observation and not trying to attack Mike even though it came out that way.

    Sorry Mike.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    If you don't mind, I think that might become my new signature. That's pretty profound, did you coin that or is it a quote?

    Will Rogers
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Are you disputing Christs word?
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,364 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    Are you disputing Christs word?

    By the above comment it seems you are looking for a discussion about religion. It will only end in disaster for someone. Leave it be.

    I am surprised that my original question of "How many of you would fit a 'roll bar' like the one shown on your quad bike........just curious" hasn't been answered by anyone yet.

    However the thread has been turned into both a slanging match and a religious argument.

    What the hell is wrong with the water supply over there?
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    I know I am preaching to the 'converted' and am not telling you anything you don't know already in my next comment.

    Society is determined to remove one of the basic tenets of life on earth, the 'Survival of the Fittest'.

    Now I know this will not come as a surprise to you but it seems to me that each day we are being faced with new 'rules and regulations' that are 'dumbing down society' to the point where there is a 'rule' for just about everything, from putting your shoes on in the morning to climbing trees.

    Take this latest example.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/calls-quad-bike-roll-bar-mandatory-in-nz-5331961

    Quad bikes can be dangerous. I know that for a fact having had a few 'whoopsies' over the years I have been riding them. All of the 'incidents' were a result of me, the 'individual' stretching the boundaries and 'over reaching' my and the bikes capabilities.
    That's the way we learn to survive. Those that don't survive provide valuable lessons to the rest of us.

    The old saying 'You cant legislate against Stupid' springs to mind.

    One of the incidents refered to in the above link relates to a quad that was carrying 4 adults and a young child and alcohol was involved. Seems to me that in that incident the presence of 'Stupid' would have made any safety measure 'redundant'. If 'stupid' hadn't been present, the incident would not have happened.

    Its a huge big world out there and life is dangerous.

    I am getting tired of being treated like I am part of 'Stupid'.

    Rant "off'.

    How many of you would fit a 'roll bar' like the one shown on your quad bike........just curious.

    Two things here. One, somebody stands to make a killing off selling roll bars for bikes. Second, the idiots are alive and well in NZ (Just as they are here in the good ol' USA) and out to idiot proof the world.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • BakermanBakerman Member Posts: 382 Member
    cpj wrote: »
    ................King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth..................

    That last one should take care of the politicians but a bear is easier to dominate.


    I don't know about NZ but we've already got roll over protection on all matter of industrial, farm, yard, construction, and materials handling equipment. It's only a matter of time....... BESIDES the stiff roll bars give the rednecks a way to brace themselves when they stand up and ride. The bouncy one ...........no way. The roll bar also provides a place to install the KC lights. AND what about mounting some of those wakeboard speakers for the stereo.

    Of course roll over protection is just a step closer to seat belts too.
    Bakerman formerly known as Bakerman
  • bhl2506bhl2506 Senior Member Posts: 2,027 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    What the hell is wrong with the water supply over there?

    The smart ones don't drink the water because fish procreate in it. :devil:
    Refusing to conform to the left wing mantra of political correctness by insisting on telling the truth does not make you a loud mouth.
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