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• Pelagic Kayaker Posts: 1,503 Senior Member

  June 2013 #2

  cpj, linky no workie.

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• Guardrail Posts: 26 New Member

  June 2013 #3

  He is a sworn officer with the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office, or a glorified security guard. Regardless, he is held to a higher standard, just like a citizen carrying would. The first rule for carrying, don't start the fight. 2nd rule, don't escalate the fight. This guy may not have started it, but he escalated it by stopping and even further by clearing leather.
  
  I have my doubts that a guy, with his wife and kids watching, would continue advancing in an aggressive manner while staring down the barrel of a gun. The police and courts must have their doubts too since he's being held with a one million dollar bond.
  
  It's a grim reminder that you'd better be 100% right when you pull your weapon because you will be held accountable.
  
  Guardrail

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• horselips Posts: 3,628 Senior Member

  June 2013 #4

  I don't see the problem as long as he wasn't using a semi-automatic rifle with any one of he following features...blah, blah, blah,...and he had no more than the allowed number of rounds in his pistol magazine. Under all the gun control laws enacted in New Jersey, this could not have happened. Obviously then, it didn't.

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• samzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member

  June 2013 #5

  cpj wrote: »

  I'm a little confused. Story says (for what it's worth)
  
  On the surface, it appears as two men approached the off duty Leo in an aggressive manner. After pulling his weapon, they continued their advance. I'm my view, the dead guy is bought and paid for. Or is my long crazy day affecting my comprehension skills?

  
  Initially, I'd tend to agree with you, cp. Looks like the officer feared these 2 men advancing on him. Hey, when they're in reach and you're outnumbered, it's too late. That's what guns are for as I see it.
  
  Of course later info may show that the cop overreacted -- but based on what I read, cp is right here.

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• tennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member

  June 2013 #6

  Article is short on information. Like who started the incident.
  Anyway, keep driving and call to Po-Po and let them handle it. Pulling over is not going to look good; you could have continued on until the police arrive. Pulling over could be seen as escalation of the situation. If the other party tries to run you off the road, well, swapping a little paint ain't nothin' but a thang. Just keep on driving until the police arrive. If they do manage to force you off the road, then they've used deadly force. If you have to defend yourself then, it's going to look a lot better to a grand jury.

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• Fisheadgib Posts: 5,797 Senior Member

  June 2013 #7

  Guardrail wrote: »

  The first rule for carrying, don't start the fight. 2nd rule, don't escalate the fight. This guy may not have started it, but he escalated it by stopping and even further by clearing leather.
  
  I have my doubts that a guy, with his wife and kids watching, would continue advancing in an aggressive manner while staring down the barrel of a gun. The police and courts must have their doubts too since he's being held with a one million dollar bond.
  
  Guardrail

  
  
  This. The article sounds like it was given from the LEO's perspective and that doesn't mean it's true.

  snake284 wrote: »

  For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me

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• Bakerman Posts: 382 Member

  June 2013 #8

  "......Walker's wife and three children were in his minivan. ....."
  
  So he had the wife and kid in the car and he decides to stop, dismount and get into an argument/confrontation off duty. Got bad judgment anyway.

  Bakerman formerly known as Bakerman

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