How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1?

greenbeastgreenbeast New MemberPosts: 2 New Member
I just saw the last half of a "weaponology" episode on the military channel. Towards the end, they said the MP7 was the next best thing after the M16. I happen to know that there are civilian versions of M16s that I can buy. I think they call'em AR15s. How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1, but narcoterrorists/drug cartels can have armor piercing weapons? I live right by the border, man. How am I supposed to match what my potential enemies are privy to? What are my alternatives?

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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,739 Senior Member
    I believe the MP7A1 is a full auto. No full auto firearms manufactured after 1986 can be sold to civilians in the US. It also looks to have a barrel of less than 10". Any rifle with a barrel less than 16" is considered a short barreled rifle (SBR) and requires a $200 tax stamp and special approval of your local law enforcement agency.

    If HK were to make a civilian version they would more than likely have to remove the stock and forgrip and sell it as a pistol or add a 16" barrel which would probably defeat the purpose and make for quite an awkward firearm. Add to the fact that is fires a special round of ammunition that isn't generally available, there probably just isn't enough of a market for the thing to justify the costs. If you're looking for something similar, FN has a civilian version of the P90 with the added bonus that the 5.7 ammo it shoots is now relatively widely available.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,049 Senior Member
    greenbeast wrote: »
    I just saw the last half of a "weaponology" episode on the military channel. Towards the end, they said the MP7 was the next best thing after the M16. I happen to know that there are civilian versions of M16s that I can buy. I think they call'em AR15s. How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1, but narcoterrorists/drug cartels can have armor piercing weapons? I live right by the border, man. How am I supposed to match what my potential enemies are privy to? What are my alternatives?

    Lemme see if I can help...

    The MP7 is a submachinegun...the M-16 is a rifle that is capable of full auto fire....two different classes of firearm. However, both of them are subject to the restrictions of NFA 1934, GCA68, etc etc etc.

    That being said...you, as a civilian, can indeed buy and possess either (Assuming you can find a Class III dealer that has an MP7 to sell to you) AND...assuming that you comply with the BATF procedures to acquire on AND the state in which you reside allow you to possess fully automatic firearms. Additonally, you must have a budget that allows you to acquire such an embarrassingly expensive firearm. ALSO, the MP7 is chambered for the 4.6 X30 mm cartridge...not something you're going to find laying around at the local gun store...

    I suspect that H&K is making isn't making a readily accessible to civilians, semi-auto version of their firearms, because they are doing just fine selling their full-auto variants to governments and law enforcement agencies... (to the best of my knowledge, the only U.S. forces that are using the MP7 is the Naval Spec War Development Group) On the other hand, the AR-15 platform in it's civilian variants has become possibly THE most popular civilian owned semi-auto firearm of the century.

    You ask; "How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1, but narcoterrorists/drug cartels can have armor piercing weapons?"
    Because you ,as a law-abiding citizen, have to play by the rules...narcoterrorists/drug cartels aren't famous for their respect of or compliance with the law...

    You can get (or build) an AR in any number of short, light platforms in carbine or handgun confugurations that will do nicely for your home defense needs....

    There...how did I do?
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  • greenbeastgreenbeast New Member Posts: 2 New Member
    Thanks guys, for educating me on these matters. I really appreciate it.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,049 Senior Member
    No problem....Welcome to the forum....hang around...you might like it here...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "How am I supposed to match what my potential enemies are privy to? What are my alternatives?"

    That is easy enough, there are enough semi auto firearms that are equal to the task and cheap enough too.

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    I saw this semiautomatic Quad 50 for sale at around $ 7,800, no BATFE red tape......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Maybe Sons of Guns can make ya one out of a few old kitchen appliances , bicycle parts and a cap & ball pistol kit.
    "There are no victims , only volunteers!"
  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,582 Senior Member
    Don't firearms made after certain date have to have a percent of their parts manufactured in the US?

    So folks like Glock, Sig Sauer and so make them here or at least assemble them here using the required amount of local parts and HK only makes or assembles a very limited inventory of guns here and imports the German made neat toys to sell only to government agencies.
    If this post is non welcomed, I can always give you a recipe for making "tostones".
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,100 Senior Member
    Partially correct. Ones made after a certain date with certain features (semiautomatic) need to have a certain amount of parts (10) made in the U.S.

    http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

    Therefore a semiauto shotgun needs 10 parts, even if it's of sporting configuration. A pump can have every bit made in China.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,726 Senior Member
    If you are looking for a smallish, higher capacity semi-auto (no need for special licenses or Tax Stamps), with a great round with high penetrating capability, here are some options you can pick up at any gun shop:

    FN Five-Seven: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF003&gid=FNG001
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    Wiselite Sterling clone in 7.62x25:
    http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-carbine%2C-7-62x25mm-by-wiselite-/products_id/4318
    Pistol Version:
    http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-pistol%2C-7-62x25-cal%2C-the-colefire-magnum-by-wiselite-/products_id/3940

    PPS43 Pistol in 7.62x25:
    http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx

    And, of course, any of the chopped down AK pistols (Commonly called a 'Draco' for some reason):
    http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct866.aspx

    Or an AR-15 Pistol:
    http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_AP-21.asp
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    And any of these you can pick up at most gun shops.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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