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• Jayhawker Posts: 18,363 Senior Member

  September 2011 #2

  greenbeast wrote: »

  I just saw the last half of a "weaponology" episode on the military channel. Towards the end, they said the MP7 was the next best thing after the M16. I happen to know that there are civilian versions of M16s that I can buy. I think they call'em AR15s. How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1, but narcoterrorists/drug cartels can have armor piercing weapons? I live right by the border, man. How am I supposed to match what my potential enemies are privy to? What are my alternatives?

  
  Lemme see if I can help...
  
  The MP7 is a submachinegun...the M-16 is a rifle that is capable of full auto fire....two different classes of firearm. However, both of them are subject to the restrictions of NFA 1934, GCA68, etc etc etc.
  
  That being said...you, as a civilian, can indeed buy and possess either (Assuming you can find a Class III dealer that has an MP7 to sell to you) AND...assuming that you comply with the BATF procedures to acquire on AND the state in which you reside allow you to possess fully automatic firearms. Additonally, you must have a budget that allows you to acquire such an embarrassingly expensive firearm. ALSO, the MP7 is chambered for the 4.6 X30 mm cartridge...not something you're going to find laying around at the local gun store...
  
  I suspect that H&K is making isn't making a readily accessible to civilians, semi-auto version of their firearms, because they are doing just fine selling their full-auto variants to governments and law enforcement agencies... (to the best of my knowledge, the only U.S. forces that are using the MP7 is the Naval Spec War Development Group) On the other hand, the AR-15 platform in it's civilian variants has become possibly THE most popular civilian owned semi-auto firearm of the century.
  
  You ask; "How come a civilian can't buy an H&K MP7A1, but narcoterrorists/drug cartels can have armor piercing weapons?"
  Because you ,as a law-abiding citizen, have to play by the rules...narcoterrorists/drug cartels aren't famous for their respect of or compliance with the law...
  
  You can get (or build) an AR in any number of short, light platforms in carbine or handgun confugurations that will do nicely for your home defense needs....
  
  There...how did I do?

  Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"

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• greenbeast Posts: 2 New Member

  September 2011 #3

  Thanks guys, for educating me on these matters. I really appreciate it.

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• Jayhawker Posts: 18,363 Senior Member

  September 2011 #4

  No problem....Welcome to the forum....hang around...you might like it here...

  Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  September 2011 #5

  "How am I supposed to match what my potential enemies are privy to? What are my alternatives?"
  
  That is easy enough, there are enough semi auto firearms that are equal to the task and cheap enough too.
  
  
  
  I saw this semiautomatic Quad 50 for sale at around $ 7,800, no BATFE red tape......

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• mkk41 Posts: 1,932 Senior Member

  September 2011 #6

  Maybe Sons of Guns can make ya one out of a few old kitchen appliances , bicycle parts and a cap & ball pistol kit.

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• bruchi Posts: 2,581 Senior Member

  September 2011 #7

  Don't firearms made after certain date have to have a percent of their parts manufactured in the US?
  
  So folks like Glock, Sig Sauer and so make them here or at least assemble them here using the required amount of local parts and HK only makes or assembles a very limited inventory of guns here and imports the German made neat toys to sell only to government agencies.

  If this post is non welcomed, I can always give you a recipe for making "tostones".

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• breamfisher Posts: 14,111 Senior Member

  September 2011 #8

  Partially correct. Ones made after a certain date with certain features (semiautomatic) need to have a certain amount of parts (10) made in the U.S.
  
  http://www.tapco.com/section922r/
  
  Therefore a semiauto shotgun needs 10 parts, even if it's of sporting configuration. A pump can have every bit made in China.

  Meh.

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• bullsi1911 Posts: 12,435 Senior Member

  September 2011 #9

  If you are looking for a smallish, higher capacity semi-auto (no need for special licenses or Tax Stamps), with a great round with high penetrating capability, here are some options you can pick up at any gun shop:
  
  FN Five-Seven: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF003&gid=FNG001
  
  
  Wiselite Sterling clone in 7.62x25:
  http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-carbine%2C-7-62x25mm-by-wiselite-/products_id/4318
  Pistol Version:
  http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/sterling-pistol%2C-7-62x25-cal%2C-the-colefire-magnum-by-wiselite-/products_id/3940
  
  PPS43 Pistol in 7.62x25:
  http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx
  
  And, of course, any of the chopped down AK pistols (Commonly called a 'Draco' for some reason):
  http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct866.aspx
  
  Or an AR-15 Pistol:
  http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_AP-21.asp
  
  
  
  And any of these you can pick up at most gun shops.

  To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
  -Mikhail Kalashnikov

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