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Wambli Ska wrote: »
Jason I believe you are assigning a generality to real complains about law enforcement that is just not there. I'm all for supporting our military and LE officers and have done so over the years gladly! The reality is that abuses of power and stupid behavior is widespread in the system. I was unfortunate enough to experience it myself this past year and posted about it here. There are some police officers that are watching too many cop shows and thinking they are training programs depicting acceptable behavior.
Unfortunately good cops suffer for it but it has been my experience that them and the system seem reticent to exorcise the guilty and we have all seen whitewashing and coverups to last us a lifetime.
To net this out when someone complains about LE around her it is not done out of disdain for any of our members. It is done out of frustration with a system that is quickly going out of control.
JasonMPD wrote: »
I have bias for my career culture, I will admit that and I am trying to keep that out of my responses as much as possible. But when you reported about your experience, you limited the focus of your experience to the specific officer you were misrepresented by and the direct chain of command you dealt with. THAT is fair reporting. Any conclusions drawn with a broader brush about LEOs after reading your story is the ignorant fault of anyone who reads your story and does so.
But several members like to say things like "The cops/police" and "They..." and "Those...". That vastly generalizes the cop culture. If you have a bad experience, or read about a report of one, focus the fact/opinion to the specific event and individual responsible.
JasonMPD wrote: »
I am not taking offense. I am having a conversation. Moreover, I am pointing out the error in the logic of the previous posts. I'd like to read what you have to say.
BAMAAK wrote: »
I doubt the Patriot act has saved that many lives but that is not the point. It is beyond the point of abuse, it was never meant to spy on everyday Americans and if you think they aren't doing a whole lot more then Snowden has leaked out, I think you are being naive. If you have nothing to hide, keep your curtains open, send me your tax returns, your grades from 1st grade on, your CC #s and they keys to your car. I don't have anything to hide but I still want my privacy. A lot of people died in the last 237+ yrs protecting that right to privacy.
JasonMPD wrote: »
Y'all are making this to complicated. Either choose to speak to the police or don't. None of this "well if they..." Either do; or don't.
As a witness why not speak with police? Not doing so--if you are an impartial witness--is a civic tragedy.
snake284 wrote: »
Well, there's no guarantees in this world. If you invoke the fifth and you are abused for doing it, if you're really a constitutionalist and give a damn about this country, you will take it to court. If you don't get satisfactory results, you need to appeal that court's decision. If that court doesn't give you the satisfaction you deserve, you need to go to a higher level, and so on and so forth until justice is served, because it is your constitutional right and also your duty as a citizen of this country to try and help insure the Constitution is upheld. One reason tyrants get away with their abuse is because people don't want to rock the boat.
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