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Almost had an intruder

pardogpardog MemberPosts: 423 Member
We transitioned our 3 year old twins from their cribs to regular beds last night. As a result, my wife and I were up no less than half a dozen times putting them back in bed, making sure they were not falling out etc. About 6:00 am my wife woke me up again and said she heard something. I checked on the kids who were asleep. On my way back to bed I hear someone trying to come the in the front door (trying to turn the knob, push on the door etc). I looked out the window and say some strange guy standing on my porch. I grabbed my .357 from the bedroom and returned to the door. I turned on the porch light, banged on the door and asked him politely :tooth: to be on his way . He tried the door again and then wandered away. I had my wife call 911 and I checked the back and side windows to make sure that he didn’t try and get in another way. My wife handed me the phone and the 911 operator asked if I had a gun. I told her yes, and she told me to keep it for my protection and once the police have secured the situation I should put it away before talking to the police. He continued to try the front door then wander off. It became pretty apparent that he was either drug or stoned and lost. Eventually the police showed up. They said he was so drug he could barely communicate, had lost his shoes and thought he was either at his house or a friends but wasn’t sure. He was charged with intoxication. I hope as soon as he sobers up somebody at the jail tells him how close he came to being shot this morning. I hope the party was to die for.

Funny side note to this story. As I was standing by the door with my gun in one hand and 911 on the phone in the other my was was scrambling like mad to clean the house before the police showed up.

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    You showed remarkable restraint in not going out and confronting him IMO. Not long ago my daughter said she heard someone trying to get in the front door. I grabbed my Glock and flashlight, sent the dog downstairs and waited a few seconds. No barking so I went down, looked out the door window and saw nothing. Turned on the lights, looked out the other doors, still nothing, so I went outside. Walked all around the porch, 3 sides of the house, and still nothing. As I'm walking back to the front door, my daughter decides to lock her car, just in case. I dang near put a .40 inch hole in an SUV. That would have been hard to explain to the insurance co.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Good that things worked out for you, and congrats for doing the right thing by being restrained but prepared!

    It would have likely been legally okay if you'd have fired through the door and blown the drunk guy away, you'd have probably felt terrible remorse when you learned he was just a totally stupid drunk and not actually trying to invade your home. So you did a good thing.

    Thanks for sharing the story -- these real world accounts are valuable.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,981 Senior Member
    pardog wrote: »
    Funny side note to this story. As I was standing by the door with my gun in one hand and 911 on the phone in the other my was was scrambling like mad to clean the house before the police showed up.
    Mrs. Clean part II
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,981 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Good that things worked out for you, and congrats for doing the right thing by being restrained but prepared!

    It would have likely been legally okay if you'd have fired through the door and blown the drunk guy away, you'd have probably felt terrible remorse when you learned he was just a totally stupid drunk and not actually trying to invade your home. So you did a good thing.

    Thanks for sharing the story -- these real world accounts are valuable.
    Are you out of your mind?
    Seriously, shoot through a door?
    Sam, that has got to rank in the top 10 dumbest replies. In no state in the union would that be anything less than murder. Even TX where you can shoot for property crimes would you get a pass on that.

    I am hoping you are just trying to stir things up and not at all serious with that statement.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Hey Uncle Joe Biden said it was ok to shoot through the door..........
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Hey Uncle Joe Biden said it was ok to shoot through the door..........

    But only with a 12 gauge shotgun. His .357 would be "right out".
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    It would have likely been legally okay if you'd have fired through the door and blown the drunk guy away, you'd have probably felt terrible remorse when you learned he was just a totally stupid drunk and not actually trying to invade your home. So you did a good thing.

    That would cut down on door to door solicitors.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    You need to bring your wife to the SE shoot and introduce her to Ned's wife, Clean. They might get along real well.

    Otherwise you did well grasshopper! LOL! I think if it was me I'd had to change underwear. I remember once I forgot to lock my car. My wife woke me up about 2 AM and said somebody was outside making noise. I got my .357 and went to the door. There's this drunk getting in my car. I hollered at him and he looked around and then figured out he was where he wasn't supposed to be and took off down the street.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Are you out of your mind?
    Seriously, shoot through a door?
    Sam, that has got to rank in the top 10 dumbest replies. In no state in the union would that be anything less than murder. Even TX where you can shoot for property crimes would you get a pass on that.

    I am hoping you are just trying to stir things up and not at all serious with that statement.

    Here in Texas, people have indeed shot through their front doors and have been absolved of any crime in the legal sense. Yes indeed.

    Am I totally nuts or have I read in this very forum where members have advocated precisely that action? I do seem to remember reading that, occasionally. Anyone else have memories of that?

    And hey, I was NOT advocating the action, although Joe Biden did -- he's the Veep so he's perfectly the one to provide great advice, eh?

    I was just remarking about this having NOT been done and that it was not the right course of action, morally and emotionally. Lots of times in the heat of things, we've all been tempted to do things that we sort of "wanted" to but were wiser. In the realm of real world self defense, there are all sorts of scenarios that can occur in which the defender may perhaps shoot too soon, or shoot too late (and maybe not get the chance to use proper defense as a result).

    Did I say it would have been right to do that? I did not. I only said that it may likely have been okay legally but that it wouldn't have been the right thing to do.

    My fault for not explaining the posting better.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I posted a few times about a similar situation. Nighttime banging on the door, shaking doorknob cussing... in Killeen TX about 10 years ago, I grabbed my model 27 and got ready to fire, if he would have come through the door.

    I looked through the blinds and it was some drunk idiot with a BBQ grill trying to open the door. New Duplex, new neighborhood, all look alike...he was one block off same distance from the corner. I showed him my .357 and asked him if he knew how close he was to getting shot...he mumbled something about he guessed he had the wrong address..I told him you damn sure did.

    Anyway, I'm glad I didn't shoot through the door and never will unless I'm being perused into my house and fired at and 100% sure of the situation.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I posted a few times about a similar situation. Nighttime banging on the door, shaking doorknob cussing... in Killeen TX about 10 years ago, I grabbed my model 27 and got ready to fire, if he would have come through the door.

    I looked through the blinds and it was some drunk idiot with a BBQ grill trying to open the door. New Duplex, new neighborhood, all look alike...he was one block off same distance from the corner. I showed him my .357 and asked him if he knew how close he was to getting shot...he mumbled something about he guessed he had the wrong address..I told him you damn sure did.

    Anyway, I'm glad I didn't shoot through the door and never will unless I'm being perused into my house and fired at and 100% sure of the situation.

    Don't try to take a life unless yours is imminently threatened. And never stand in front of the door if someone is banging on it that you don't know. It's just as easy to fire through the door from the outside as it is from the inside, and if a felon is of true evil intent, your door lock is not going to stop them.

    D
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm glad I didn't shoot through the door and never will unless I'm being perused into my house and fired at and 100% sure of the situation.

    Absolutely correct, too. Much of the responsibility of owning firearms for self defense is knowing when NOT to shoot.

    I've told this story before, but it's true and makes a good "campfire tale"... KC Chiefs had this star defensive lineman rookie signed, big new recruit, great college record and promising pro career. After training camp and he'd been signed to the team, his fellow pro linemen took him out to celebrate, they all got drunk.

    They decided to have him surprise his girlfriend. So they went to an allnite store, bought a big red bow and ribbon. They had him strip naked, they tied the bow around his, er, you know, and he was sent to wake up his gf (3am) at her apartment complex. He stormed up to her door, banged on it, and when she didn't open it, he bashed the door open. BANG! One round, .357 Mag, chest shot, died at the scene. They'd gotten the wrong building in the complex and he instead burst straight into the apartment of a sleepy and frightened citizen, reacting as anybody would if a 6'5" 280lb naked man would crash through your front door.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    If the citizen had fired at the first knock they could have saved the door.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Reminds me when my grandmother had her first heart attack. She was more worried about her hair being messed up before the paramedics took her to the hospital. She even had my dad pick up some See's candy for the nurses. She was quite the pistol.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,981 Senior Member
    I am willing to bet that in any instance where someone shot through a door there were MAJOR extenuating circumstances, a heck of a lot more than,"He was on my porch." Unless TX has the death penalty for trespassing, I kind of doubt it. If the guy or guys are on the front porch with machetes screaming they are going to kill you while battering the door, that is a different ball of wax, and I will still say that the legality of it is questionable.

    I would like to see any article about anyone shooting through their front door, and how that was justified.

    Bedroom door, different story. BG has already proven that he is ready to be an aggressor. Hollow core doors are cheap.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    I would like to see any article about anyone shooting through their front door, and how that was justified.

    I couldn't find any but my search skills are weak.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I am willing to bet that in any instance where someone shot through a door there were MAJOR extenuating circumstances, a heck of a lot more than,"He was on my porch." Unless TX has the death penalty for trespassing, I kind of doubt it. etc.

    I know it's happened, I just can't remember when. And you're right, it was likely during a home invasion or some other disturbance in the middle.

    I'll tell you that Texas is however very lenient regarding self defense shootings. And yes, it's not exactly politically correct or a pleasant concept, but cases where the shooter was white and the shot person was black, there have been few prosecutions. It happens.

    The point however is that it's of course a really bad idea to shoot through the front door. But the end result was not found to be criminal action in some cases.

    That's of course no excuse and so doing is a breach of all the proper self defense admonitions about "knowing your target".
  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,648 Senior Member
    Didn't a drunk girl get shot in CO last year entering a residence uninvited? She, if I recall staggered into the wrong house and made it to the bedroom and got ventilated when she refused to go away from the homeowner's bedroom.
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