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Lodi Police Officer Shot When Child Pulled Trigger On His Gun At Reading Event

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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 661 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Obviously an unengaged safety would not have prevented an unintended discharge. I never said it would have, and I have no idea where that came from. Please re-read my post - I make it clear that safeties have to be used, and for that, they have to exist in the first place. But a "safe-action" pistol has no safety to engage. The option of engagement doesn't exist. Had the Glock design incorporated a disabling off switch (or at least de-cocker mechanism with a correspondingly heavy 10-12 pound first round trigger pull), the officer involved, all his other faults notwithstanding, might have engaged it. If the weapon had been designed with a manually operated disabling safety, no doubt this officer's department would have trained him to use it.

    I don't blame Glock for the incident; once again, a careful re-reading of my posts will show this unintended discharge to be the result of a perfect storm of mistakes made by the officer and the child. What I criticize Glock for is not incorporating redundant manually operated safeties in their designs. That's all.

    You're right in that we don't know if any of the safety features I support would have made any difference or not. Might have, but we'll never be sure. But we do know this - that not having them available, and not being able to train the officer to use them, didn't help the situation any.

    You said and I quoted "Anything you don't use, turn on or activate will work - firearms safeties included." Perhaps you misstyped.

    Excuse me but a revolver or most of them haven't a safety to engage either. IF the officer or the childs parents had been paying close attention the incident would not have happened.

    Might have could have... if a frog had wings. IF the officer had done his job the incident would not have occured.

    You can criticize Glock all you like. BUT I wonder do you criticize Ruger for not having a safety on their revolvers? Or Colt? Or Smith and Wesson?

    I am pretty sure the officer was trained in awareness and yet that training didn't seem to help.

    I happen to think your fandom of some firearm with a safety or your dislike of Glock in specific is at the root of your issue with this incident.

    Personally I prefer my carry handgun not to have a safety but that is my preference. In fact mine dont even have the trigger safety or a grip safety that some ofthers do.

    A Glock and in fact almost every single one of my firearms will not fire without someone or something pulling the trigger.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    You said and I quoted "Anything you don't use, turn on or activate will work - firearms safeties included." Perhaps you misstyped.

    Personally I prefer my carry handgun not to have a safety but that is my preference. In fact mine dont even have the trigger safety or a grip safety that some ofthers do.

    Yes I mistyped. I meant to say won't work. I fixed it so that a thousand years from now, future archaeologist who will dig up this board and publish our posts in scholarly texts, won't be confused. As for your carry guns not having any safeties at all, BE CAREFUL. Enjoy.
    As for revolvers, they are not pre-cocked, and they have long heavy trigger pulls. A loaded revolver is not usually pre-cocked, so no safety is needed.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Yes I mistyped. I meant to say won't work. I fixed it so that a thousand years from now, future archaeologist who will dig up this board and publish our posts in scholarly texts, won't be confused. As for your carry guns not having any safeties at all, BE CAREFUL. Enjoy.
    As for revolvers, they are not pre-cocked, and they have long heavy trigger pulls. A loaded revolver is not usually pre-cocked, so no safety is needed.

    Seems awfully dangerous...:jester:

    Funning of course, but I agree that you and I will have to disagree. I don't recall if the article mentioned whether or not the sidearm was a Glock, but there other brands with actions similar to Glock's so, IMO, the point is moot. Your beef is with the 'safety free' style of firearm and mine is with carelessness. I think we'd both agree that waving a magic wand and eliminating carelessness would eliminate many problems in society today, no? That being said, (well, typed anyway) maybe making folks understand that THEY are responsible for their actions and are ultimately accountable for the results of same would be the next best thing to being able to wave that magic wand? Would that cure all that ails us? Not hardly. But, it would make folks stop and think before doing things that could lead to unpleasant consequences. The old 'carrot and stick' if you will. The carrot is increased freedoms in the form of joe sixpack being able to do pretty much as he wishes, and the stick is...well, NOT.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • bowserbbowserb Member Posts: 277 Member
    I blame the police officer 100% on this one. Kids are kids, and nowadays discipline is worse than any time in history. Carrying a Glock in a loose holster with a round in the chamber into a crowd of kids, is just tempting fate. Young boys are fascinated by guns...weren't you as a young boy? The officer is really lucky that he became just another "Glock Leg" statistic and not something worse.


    Sent using Tapatalk...so please excuse the typos!
    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history." - Ayn Rand
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