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5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior MemberPosts: 3,923 Senior Member
Why is the Midwest considered that still when it's in the central time zone? Where does the midwest end and the west begin....the Mississippi river?
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    Because it's composed of states bought in the Louisiana Purchase, maybe? Name probably originates before we knew just how big the West really was.
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    Because in the early early days of America, Everything east of the Appalachians was the west. When the The US start the great annexation in hopes of going coast to coast, What was the west was now in the middle of the known east and the new Wild west. So...to make the distinction, the old west became the midwest and the new west was just the west...
    The west starts about in west texas and extends up through Colorado, Wyoming, Montana...
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Take this with a grain of salt guys.......I'm just irked that the United States hasn't evolved to amend the designation since we're so happy to rewrite history in politically correct views.........like when the indians became native americans and black people became afro-americans....
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I hate the term Midwest. If you look at a US map, midwest is Arizona, New Mexico, etc. And "Midwest" states according to the press often include Ohio, etc. which isn't remotely western.

    The term of course was used many years ago and it's stuck, but it's invalid. I always say "central states".
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    Would you prefer to call it the "Not quite so Easterly East"?

    I draw the line at the states with their Western borders at about 100 degrees W longitude: the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma back to Ohio is the "Midwest"; anything from Pennsylvania to the coast is "The East"; the Civil War boundaries save Texas denotes "The South"; and Texas is big enough to be confused.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    Take this with a grain of salt guys.......I'm just irked that the United States hasn't evolved to amend the designation since we're so happy to rewrite history in politically correct views.........like when the indians became native americans and black people became afro-americans....
    Yeah. How dare those ethnic groups come up with their own names for who they are and not accept the ones the white folks gave 'em. :roll:
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    I would say anything east of the Rockies and west of the Mississippi should be the mid-west. On the other side of the hills, you are west.
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    And from the Mississippi to the Appalachians shall henceforth be known as the "Easty-West"
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Yeah. How dare those ethnic groups come up with their own names for who they are and not accept the ones the white folks gave 'em. :roll:

    Yeah......bad example. It's was the PC-ness I was trying to convey, my bad.
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    Yeah, and you Westerners and Southerners are not nearly as Westernerly or Southernerly as us peeples from Hawaii. Aloha y'all!
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    And from the Mississippi to the Appalachians shall henceforth be known as the "Easty-West"

    They can be central since that's their time zone. Would be too hard for meteorologist to say "just to the right of the middle".
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Yeah, and you Westerners and Southerners are not nearly as Westernerly or Southernerly as us peeples from Hawaii. Aloha y'all!

    You're a pineapple......on a stick.........:tooth: Y'all n Alaska can claim the Pacific time zone all to yourselves......the left coast will have to become a new time zone......western..........or just The Time Zone, since that's where all the freaky things happen.........:jester:
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    :iwo:

    There is Texas, then all the rest.

    :cool:
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Y'all already tried one that before........jus cause ya think it, don't mean you is it. Now behave before we give you back to Mexico! :tooth:
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • USUFBUSUFB Senior Member Posts: 830 Senior Member
    41magnut wrote: »
    :iwo:

    There is Texas, then all the rest.

    :cool:

    Yup! :agree:
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Keep that up and we'll be sending all our Subaru drivers down there! Turn the whole state into Austin!
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Indians........errr Native Americans don't seem to care either way.......it's I'm Choctaw, or I'm Sioux, or I'm Navajo, better yet, I'm 1/16 Cherokee......sorry chief, maybe you can tell the difference, but I can't......I just know that you don't look like the Washington Redskins I saw last week.

    And I've had many a coworker say "I ain't no afro-American........never been to Africa and don't want to..........and do you see me sporting an afro?. I'm an American and I'm black!"

    Ok enough about races, this is about the layout of the country and terminology.
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    Yeah. How dare those ethnic groups come up with their own names for who they are and not accept the ones the white folks gave 'em. :roll:

    I prefer to be called Scandinavian American.
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    Nope, you're a sled-running moose-biting Sven-ster.......:tooth: Or a Viking, which ever one you prefer......
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    If y'all had not been such silly billies a couple of hundred years age, forget the date, this would not be a problem, you would still be British
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    People in the world are either British or not British, simples.:devil::tooth:

    You're a pineapple......on a stick.........:tooth: Y'all n Alaska can claim the Pacific time zone all to yourselves......the left coast will have to become a new time zone......western..........or just The Time Zone, since that's where all the freaky things happen.........:jester:

    Greenwich is the time zone, all the rest are just made up to keep the locals content.:jester:
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Ill take the Indian (casino not hotel) one.
    They don't seem to mind the name, take a trip through Oklahoma sometime.
    Indian Nation this, Indian Nation that.
    And to quote one of my wife's aunts, (granted she was a little "touched" as y'all say in the South) " I'm not a ing Native American, damnit! I'm a **** and proud of it!"
    Yep. Saying "Native-American" only labels yourself as PC. The term "African-American" is absolutely ignorant and I refuse to use it. It assumes entirely too much about a person's heritage and paints every black person with an American brush. Black people can be Englishmen, Cuban, Haitian, Brazilian, etc. It would be like calling every pasty white person in this country "English-American". I dare you to say that to a proud Scotsman's face! How about going to Africa and start calling all the black folks there "African-American"? I am sure it will go over terrific.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,364 Senior Member
    Yeah, and you Westerners and Southerners are not nearly as Westernerly or Southernerly as us peeples from Hawaii. Aloha y'all!

    And you peeples/yankee's from Hawaii are northerners and easterners to us in Kiwi land.

    Actually ojr, Bloodhound, Waipapa and I are the only true southerners on this forum.........Geographically speaking.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I saw a TV show called 'How The States Were Formed/Got Their Shapes' or similar and it was very interesting. The LA Purchase, Railroad, Surveying and CA Gold pushed borders in funny directions. Some for simplicity, greed and bickering in Congress .....imagine that!

    Here it is:

    http://www.history.com/shows/how-the-states-got-their-shapes
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    That's always been an interesting and informative show!
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • hawk18hawk18 Senior Member Posts: 742 Senior Member
    Addressing the lower 48 only, and with tongue in cheek. The only western states are Washington, Oregon and Californica. All the rest are "back east". Slant may well be the most westerly one of us. And if he wants to drive over to Point Blanco, EVERYONE else will be back east.

    Realistically, I always feel better defining the "West" by life styles. TX, OK, CO, WY, MT and all the ones west of them feel "western" to me. However, the Flint Hills of Kansas feel western and eastern Colorado does not. So, now what?

    Hawk
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Ohio is in a funky place. We're not northerners, like MI, MN, WI.
    We sure as heck aren't easterners. Or Yankees, as many southerners would have you believe.
    We're about half southern, half western. At least the bottom half of Ohio is. Cleveland is pretty eastern.
    Midwest-south?
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    The reason a lot of Southerners think Ohioans are Yankees is because the blue-hairs from Cleveland come to our fair land and tell us how much better, cheaper, and better-run things are "up North in Ohio." That's why most Southerners don't realize how truly red Ohioans can be. We get your old and crotchety ones, not the younger ones.
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  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    If y'all had not been such silly billies a couple of hundred years age, forget the date, this would not be a problem, you would still be British
    People in the world are either British or not British, simples.:devil::tooth:
    Greenwich is the time zone, all the rest are just made up to keep the locals content.:jester:

    Well we started to tell y'all to go sack yerselves in 1776.......but since we're a bunch of lazy Colonists.....all in good time.....bless your heart.........it took us a few years to get our dander up and finally show you we really meant it. We were kinda understaffed and ill equipped at the time.

    We changed the British stigmatism for you and took it off your shoulders........Now you're either American.......or you hate Americans.......:tooth: You can thank us by buying a Big Mac for 10 pds British.......in the end, WE GOT YOU to be fat b-stards!! Hahahahahaa!

    We gave you the starting line for the time zones for history's sake.........whatever you start, we finish it for you.......Bawhaahahaha!

    In all fairness......you did give us the English Language......of which we've corrupted completely and made it harder to comprehend than Vietnamese Tonal Inflections.

    This is the land of BASF..........we don't make it, we just make it better.........:rotflmao:

    Almost forgot.........we created the Metric System which you use, and we don't since we still love our cousins from across the pond and prefer the English "Standard" system..........again.......Bwahahahaha!

    Oh, and we can purchase petrol in Gallons for the same price you pay in a Liter........snicker!

    We are hell bent on destroying the planet, and doing a mighty fine job of it I might say.........more tea?
    God show's mercy on drunks and dumb animals.........two outa three ain't a bad score!
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,591 Senior Member
    I was born and raised in the east (Delaware) and currently live in the west (Washington). No confusion here at all. :cool:
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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    The reason a lot of Southerners think Ohioans are Yankees is because the blue-hairs from Cleveland come to our fair land and tell us how much better, cheaper, and better-run things are "up North in Ohio." That's why most Southerners don't realize how truly red Ohioans can be. We get your old and crotchety ones, not the younger ones.

    That makes sense. Cleveland might as well be a suburb of New York. Youngstown, too. Completely different people, vibe there vs. the rest of the state. Lots of people forget that Appalachia starts in SE Ohio.
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