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Dad was right....Observations from CCW Class...
Jayhawker
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Dad always said that "Folks may have a right to own a firearm, but there a some that have no business doing so."
Because we live in a rural area, and the county we live in is rather accommodating as far a carrying firearms goes,and because we rarely actually leave the county, we have put off getting our CCW permits. However, a couple of weeks ago, the wife and I finally got around to going to class for our Kansas CCW permits...
All in all, a good class. Solid, well grounded instructors, and 20 participants, a couple of former LEs, Some folks who obviously knew their way around firearms, some novices, and one guy who spent way too much time playing "Gears of War".
First part of the class was devoted to Firearms Safety.
Having been through these classes a couple of times in MI, we just kinda set back, shut up and nodded our heads a lot and people watched....
The mall ninja asked a lot of questions:
"How many guns can I carry?"
"Can I carry a sawed off shotgun?"
"What if I want to carry an AR pistol?"
"Can I carry concealed knives (plural)?
When pressed for his opinions in "shoot, don't shoot" quizzes, He had a tendency of choosing to shoot in situations where clearly pulling a trigger would be a bad idea...
Last part of the class was on the range for qualification...
5 rounds from 3 feet
10 rounds from 7 feet (1 reload)
10 rounds from 10 feet (1 reload)
all at a 12 inch circle...no time limit...successful qualification required 18 hits within that circle.
The "Gears of War" guy shows up with a old Makarov that he borrowed from his buddy(turns out, for all his blood thirstiness, he doesn't own an actual firearm....yet)....and immediately required constant personal attention from one of the Range officers... in spite of that personal attention, he commits 3 range safety violations in the first evolution. (Apparently he slept through the "firearms safety" part of the class....)
19 of us passed...
Dad was right....
Because we live in a rural area, and the county we live in is rather accommodating as far a carrying firearms goes,and because we rarely actually leave the county, we have put off getting our CCW permits. However, a couple of weeks ago, the wife and I finally got around to going to class for our Kansas CCW permits...
All in all, a good class. Solid, well grounded instructors, and 20 participants, a couple of former LEs, Some folks who obviously knew their way around firearms, some novices, and one guy who spent way too much time playing "Gears of War".
First part of the class was devoted to Firearms Safety.
Having been through these classes a couple of times in MI, we just kinda set back, shut up and nodded our heads a lot and people watched....
The mall ninja asked a lot of questions:
"How many guns can I carry?"
"Can I carry a sawed off shotgun?"
"What if I want to carry an AR pistol?"
"Can I carry concealed knives (plural)?
When pressed for his opinions in "shoot, don't shoot" quizzes, He had a tendency of choosing to shoot in situations where clearly pulling a trigger would be a bad idea...
Last part of the class was on the range for qualification...
5 rounds from 3 feet
10 rounds from 7 feet (1 reload)
10 rounds from 10 feet (1 reload)
all at a 12 inch circle...no time limit...successful qualification required 18 hits within that circle.
The "Gears of War" guy shows up with a old Makarov that he borrowed from his buddy(turns out, for all his blood thirstiness, he doesn't own an actual firearm....yet)....and immediately required constant personal attention from one of the Range officers... in spite of that personal attention, he commits 3 range safety violations in the first evolution. (Apparently he slept through the "firearms safety" part of the class....)
19 of us passed...
Dad was right....
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
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But, your Dad really likes to hear you say he was right. :up:
Who said he had a CCL??? Don't need a license to open carry.......
He had to have been at least 21 to be in the class....
I'm really glad the instructors had the integrity to fail this guy...apparently he failed the written test as well...off to the side, they told him he just wasn't ready for this particular step and recommended a couple of NRA classes he could benefit from.
-96 lbs
One was a young lady that was plowing up dirt in front of the target at 5 yards.
The other was an older guy with so many safety violations they pulled him of the line.
They even tried to have him shoot all by himself with 3 instructors standing by and he still kept sweeping people.
-96 lbs
:win: Precisely.
Luis
Actually, that is exactly what happened....His right to own a firearm was not restricted in any way...However, due to his unsafe habits, lack of even basic skills and inability to take instruction, his right to carry a concealed handgun in public was restricted until such a time as he corrected those things.
And yes...considering the fact that I watched him handle a firearm with complete disregard for the destructive power in his hand , I can say with absolute certainly that injuring himself or others was a "when" not an "if"...
Just for the sake of furthering the discussion...you state;
"YES I am well aware that some innocent soul might get hurt in the process of finding out what sort of "mistake" this tool MIGHT commit,"
Would it be OK with you if that innocent soul was YOUR child?
Bottom Line, IMHO...passing this guy so his feeling wouldn't be hurt and allowing him out on the streets packing a firearm would have been gross negligence on the part of the instructors...I believe they knew that as well.
That innocent soul IS my child sir. You have a plan to prevent this tool from getting a handgun on the street and carrying it illegally?
By my having to get a permit my rights have been restricted according to the whim of the politicians in the varied states. I can not legally carry in South Carolina even tho I jumped thru the required hoops in Georgia to get a permit to carry. South Carolina has decided that the HOOPS the politicians require in Georgia are not enough.
The ones I have seen were older male fools.
When I was a LEO, a young fool LEO had a patrol shotgun up on his shoulder and was sweeping everyone, I took (wrenched) it from him as he protested, and took it to an unloading station, it had a round in the chamber, safety off.
I wrote him up and he was desk bound for some considerable time thereafter.
By your post, I should assume you against the permit process in general? If so we wander into entirely different territory...
Sage advice. :up:
Indeed sir.
I understand that there are indeed some who should not own nor handle firearms. My issue comes when the person or persons who get to decide who is allowed to own and or handle firearms comes into question. You I might can agree with, but Barrack Obama? Or Maxine Waters? Henry Waxman?
A national policy on carry permits seems awesome until the actual details come into question. My particular state allows anyone who can pass a background check to get a permit. South Carolina demands one take some class and I believe pass a test, I don't see a national standard to be any less, on the whole this aint bad but when the federal govt certifies those class givers and force the price of said class to $300 to $500 or even $1000 is that going to be ok? I much prefer the Vermont stance.
Volunteers do the testing at a nominal cost to the test taker, if a Nationwide CCW class was run in the same way as with Amateur radio, there would be few problems and few complaints, and check out the legal penalties for false distress calls and operating and unlicensed Amateur radio operation, almost as bad as illegal possession of an automatic firearm.
The issue as I see it is who gets to decide what is reasonable? Are 10 round magazines reasonable? Some would claim that if you can not get whatever job done in 10 rounds then surely you can reload, some would claim that 10 rounds is to many and why not go down to the 6 in a revolver. Some would argue that it would be reasonable to restrict the civilian/citizen to a musket or single shot firearm.
Honestly IF the majority voted and agreed that the single shot firearm was the limit I would have no real complaint so long as I could carry a brace of sea service pistols a couple of knives and a tomahawk. I'd have no problem limiting my hunting to strictly flintlock firearms in the single barrel form. BUT that ain't reasonable to most. Oh some would say yeah I could live with a revolver or two and a bolt action rifle and pump shotgun limited to 4 or 5 rounds. Would that be considered reasonable restriction to most here? It aint reasonable in my opinion but I could live with it until I could get it changed the same as I live with the restrictions we have now.
I'll mostly abide by the law, even though I disagree with it, but I'm voting for the politicians that say that the government is not qualified to, nor should it be empowered to decide which of its citizens it will 'allow to carry a gun.'
Sure, if a potential tragedy can be averted by enforcing a bad law that is still on the books, a sane person will do just that. But, we have to keep trying to roll back the governments penchant for ignoring the Constitution.
Besides, we have millions of people of similar mentality driving 2 tons of steel down the road, texting or talking on a cell phone, who don't even have the agility to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Quit makin fun of me.............those trauma plates are there for my safety! :tissue:
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Edit to add: Although there are some students that prove unteachable.
― Douglas Adams