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Did a little bullet casting yesterday afternoon

tennmiketennmike Senior MemberPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
I was short on .32 pistol bullets so I cast a few yesterday afternoon. Need to size and lube them this afternoon.

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Very cool. Nothing quite like self-manufacturered ammo components!
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Too bad there aren't dies and supplies to make primers and primer compound. I'd be all over that in a heartbeat!
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Too bad there aren't dies and supplies to make primers and primer compound. I'd be all over that in a heartbeat!

    And the aerial view of your house after a loading mistake near a bulk purchase of primer compound...

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  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    What bullet is that? I cast a lot of the RCBS 98swc for the wife's 32 H&R single six.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Ranch13 wrote: »
    What bullet is that? I cast a lot of the RCBS 98swc for the wife's 32 H&R single six.

    It's a Lee #90301 double cavity mold. 100 grain bullet. The Lee website says it's a .311 diameter mold, but my bullets all come out of it at .313 to .3135 diameter.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    How do you size them now and lube?
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  • bhl2506bhl2506 Senior Member Posts: 2,027 Senior Member
    What lube are you going to use? They have some good recipes for lube on the bollit casting forum. The two that I have used are Ben's red and 45-45-10. Have never used either one in a rifle but seem to do well in 9mm and 45 auto.
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  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    It's a Lee #90301 double cavity mold. 100 grain bullet. The Lee website says it's a .311 diameter mold, but my bullets all come out of it at .313 to .3135 diameter.

    Looks like a pretty good bullet. I like a number of Lee's handgun moulds.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Too bad there aren't dies and supplies to make primers and primer compound. I'd be all over that in a heartbeat!
    I think getting a die made (or making one) would be doable. I am not familiar enough with the ingredients of priming compound to even guess about that. I think it would be a neat project though.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Old time priming compound is mercury fulminate...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury(II)_fulminate

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Modern non-mercuric primers are made with lead styphnate- - - - -no clue how to home brew that stuff. Bullet lube is easy- - - -a toilet wax ring, some automotive chassis grease, paraffin, and a double boiler made from an old saucepan and a coffee or tomato juice can. I can make bullet lube that's good to 2000+ FPS for a couple of dollars, enough to lube several hundred bullets.
    Jerry
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Old time priming compound is mercury fulminate...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury(II)_fulminate

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    So mercury, nitric acid, and ethanol? That is very doable.
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  • DurangoKidDurangoKid Member Posts: 183 Member
    I cast some bullets for large volume use. I never size these. I simply use LEE ALOX tumble lube. I then sprinkle and tumble with Motor-Mica. This gives the lubed bullet a soft finish easy to handle. Cast bullets that are used for velocities of 1,500 FPS or less do not need gas checks.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    So mercury, nitric acid, and ethanol? That is very doable.

    Mercuric primers ruin brass. After a reload or two, the brass will get brittle enough to split after being exposed to mercury-based priming compound.
    Jerry
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I am not so interested in it for the cheapness or otherwise, I am curious that if it can be done by someone with half a brain and if it would shoot ok. We know for certain that a flint lock or match lock with home made black powder can be done without too much trouble. Bullets, jacketed bullets, and solid copper bullets can be made. How far can a relative layman go in a workshop?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I am not so interested in it for the cheapness or otherwise, I am curious that if it can be done by someone with half a brain and if it would shoot ok. We know for certain that a flint lock or match lock with home made black powder can be done without too much trouble. Bullets, jacketed bullets, and solid copper bullets can be made. How far can a relative layman go in a workshop?

    Mercury fulminate is VERY sensitive to static charge. It is also VERY sensitive to pressure. Made some in an advanced chemistry class. As long as it is wet it is workable. Once it dries, it's a bomb waiting to go off for no apparent reason at all. Lead styphnate isn't really hard to make, but the chemicals to make it are nasty, and a couple are hard to come by. You may have to make them yourself, and the making is also nasty. Full face mask with organic filters time.

    I make my own bullet lube with the same recipe that Jerry uses. Good stuff, and cheap to make.

    Sizing and lubing will be done in the Lyman Lube Sizer. I'll size these to .312 for .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Mag. I also have the size die and top punch for .311 for .32 ACP bullets I cast. They are 70 grain pills.

    I use the same .312 size die with a different top punch for .303 British.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,327 Senior Member
    bhl2506 wrote: »
    What lube are you going to use? They have some good recipes for lube on the bollit casting forum. The two that I have used are Ben's red and 45-45-10. Have never used either one in a rifle but seem to do well in 9mm and 45 auto.

    Ben's Red will do quite nicely for rifles - it's what Ben seems to use it for mostly himself. I've gone with an extra 5% beeswax in it - just seems too gooey otherwise.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Modern non-mercuric primers are made with lead styphnate- - - - -no clue how to home brew that stuff. Bullet lube is easy- - - -a toilet wax ring, some automotive chassis grease, paraffin, and a double boiler made from an old saucepan and a coffee or tomato juice can. I can make bullet lube that's good to 2000+ FPS for a couple of dollars, enough to lube several hundred bullets.
    Jerry
    I use this lube in the .45 ACP bullets I cast. I pan lube. Since using this lube I've had no detectable leading with my own slugs, none. The commercial cast bullets would lead a little, but Mr. Jerry's lube works well.

    And for those wondering, it's not a sizing issue between my slugs and the commercial ones. I've measured representative samples of both (20 each) and they all were the same size.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    It's a Lee #90301 double cavity mold. 100 grain bullet. The Lee website says it's a .311 diameter mold, but my bullets all come out of it at .313 to .3135 diameter.

    Don't or can't you run them through a Lyman Luber-sizer- die that brings them down to final desired diameter?


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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Don't or can't you run them through a Lyman Luber-sizer- die that brings them down to final desired diameter?


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    That's what I do, Big Chief. I've got a lot of money tied up in Lyman Lube Sizer dies and top punches. I like the Lee sizers for pre-lubed bullets, but they only offer .311 and .314 sizers for .32 cal. The .311 is fine for .32 ACP and .314 for some of the old .32 cal. cartridges, but I've found that .313 is the right size for my .32 cal. Ruger Single Six and my old .32 cal. revolver that shoots .32 S&W Long.
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  • DurangoKidDurangoKid Member Posts: 183 Member
    If you check the .32 caliber Ruger bore you will get a .308. Ruger uses the same barrel on their .30 Carbine revolvers. The forcing cones run .310. If you use a .309 cast you will get good accuracy at lower pressures.

    Gary Reeder pistol smith recommends .308-.309 in all .32 caliber revolvers.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    DurangoKid wrote: »
    If you check the .32 caliber Ruger bore you will get a .308. Ruger uses the same barrel on their .30 Carbine revolvers. The forcing cones run .310. If you use a .309 cast you will get good accuracy at lower pressures.

    Gary Reeder pistol smith recommends .308-.309 in all .32 caliber revolvers.

    I go by what gets printed on the target downrange. .312 is what works for me. .311 gives me leading in forcing cone and barrel.

    Edit to add: I also get good accuracy from the unsized .313 bullets in the Ruger and the .32 long revolver.
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  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    Same here, .312 will shoot for ever with great accuracy and no leading in our little Ruger.
  • bhl2506bhl2506 Senior Member Posts: 2,027 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Ben's Red will do quite nicely for rifles - it's what Ben seems to use it for mostly himself. I've gone with an extra 5% beeswax in it - just seems too gooey otherwise.

    That's the only that I didn't care for was the gooey part. I only have a little left and will add more bees wax next time.While I'm at it I'm going to try some of Mr. Jerry's recipe.
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  • bhl2506bhl2506 Senior Member Posts: 2,027 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Modern non-mercuric primers are made with lead styphnate- - - - -no clue how to home brew that stuff. Bullet lube is easy- - - -a toilet wax ring, some automotive chassis grease, paraffin, and a double boiler made from an old saucepan and a coffee or tomato juice can. I can make bullet lube that's good to 2000+ FPS for a couple of dollars, enough to lube several hundred bullets.
    Jerry

    Is there an amount for each ingiedient or do you just mix equal parts?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I've tried a couple of times to load .308 bullets in .32 Mag. Here's what happens when you try to put a .308 bullet into a properly sized unflared .32 Long or .32 Mag. case. The only thing that keeps it from falling to the bottom is because the brass thickens toward the case head.



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  • bhl2506bhl2506 Senior Member Posts: 2,027 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I have the recipe I used at home. When I get back and settled in I'll post it. I THINK I used a little more wax to make it stiffer.

    Thanks would appreciate it.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    bhl2506 wrote: »
    Is there an amount for each ingiedient or do you just mix equal parts?

    Melt one toilet wax ring and about 2-3 tablespoons of general-purpose automotive chassis grease, NOT disc brake wheel bearing grease in the double boiler. Disc brake grease has too high a melting point to mix well without getting the mixture hotter than the boiling water bath can do. Add paraffin such as candle wax or jelly sealing wax from the canning supplies aisle at Wally World. Hot weather- - - -more paraffin. The idea is to make a stiff mixture that will fill lube grooves well. Either set a bunch of bullets base down in a shallow pan and pour the melted lube around them, then cut the bullets out of the hardened lube with a drilled-out straight wall brass case. If you use a lube-size machine pour the melted mixture into the cavity of a Lubersizer where the lube stick would normally go. I can get 4-5 fillings of my Lubersizers with one batch of home brew lube- - - -total cost about 3 bucks! When toilet rings are on sale at the local big box store like Lowe's of Home Depot, I stock up! One grease gun tube of chassis lube will make 10 batches of lube or more. If bright colors crank your tractor, use those tapered dinner candles in whatever color you like to stiffen the mix.
    Jerry
  • DurangoKidDurangoKid Member Posts: 183 Member
    And proof is on the bullet. If you retrieve the bullets and the lube remains in the grooves the lube is inefficient.
  • DurangoKidDurangoKid Member Posts: 183 Member
    If the lube does not melt in the bore what good is it? Hard lube for high pressure high heat. Something like SPG for lower pressure lower heat applications. Lubes that cling to bullets in flight are not conducive to accuracy.
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