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Springfield XD
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Is there any domestic law enforcement agency or organization that issues the Springfield XD handgun as it's duty weapon?
Of any that allow approved personal weapons have to Springfield XD as an approved sidearm?
Of any that allow approved personal weapons have to Springfield XD as an approved sidearm?
"The .30-06 is never a mistake." Townsend Whelen :iwo:
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None in my vicinity. They can't compete with Glock. Or Smith and Wesson. I own a SA XD45 Tactical that I trust my life with if I'm toting it around in the car. It's just ANOTHER polymer pistol in a long line of many. It's like FN trying to oust the AR platform...not happening.
Rumor has it, boom boom, rumor has it.....
Explain "can't compete with Glock", are you referring to not selling as many?
As far as shooting, I agree there is no competition, the XD is hand down better.
Philosophical arguments notwithstanding.
Massive volume of sales says something, parts will be easy to get.
Sadly, no.... :tissue:
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Uhhhh, you do realize this is an isolated case, right ?
My XD45 Tactical is a way better shooter than any G21 I've ever shot...
"Can't compete" is meant from a logistics viewpoint. Glock has more guns than Arizona and Texas have migrant workers. SA is noy going to unseat Glock because Glock...
- Is a long known name in LE
- Gives deeeep discounts to LE agencies
- Markets DIRECTLY at LE...SA doesn't
Even at civie prices...
GLOCK17 - approx $520 to 550
SA XDM - $590 to 650
There is no price comparison. Glock sells the 17, 22 and 21 to LE agencies at about $380 a pistol. No one is touching that.
GLOCK17 - approx $520 to 550
SA XDM - $590 to 650
There is no price comparison. Glock sells the 17, 22 and 21 to LE agencies at about $380 a pistol. No one is touching that."
:that: Even for reserve LE....
I personally have not seen any defective Glock magazines.... many others are a crap shoot at best.
I like the XD, my bud has one he loves, but they aren't in the same playground as a Glock. I don't care for the grip safety, but that wouldn't keep me from buying one. Price is a BIG part (not the only part) of LE buying. Plus, Glock has a lot of hands-on experience and therefore documentation with their pistols that only Smith and Beretta can hope to compare.
Departments who purchase weapons are generally not equipped to do hands-on studies, so they use the studies of those who can, like the FBI, for example. In my state,the GBI uses Glocks with very good results.
I've never had a problem with either Glocks or Glock mags. When I was teaching my SO, and in helping teach academy courses, I can't remember seeing many problems with any modern gun. Except for a S&W Sigma, which didn't make it through the course.
Glocks are very popular, being reliable, fairly accurate, and relatively inexpensive. But many older police (for some reason, older black officers particularly) favor the .357. And there are the .40 cal fanciers, and of course the 1911 groupies, but mixed in are those who like the XDs, Berettas, S&W, you name it, about any major brand is represented. Although I don't suppose you see a lot of Taurus fans, ha ha.
NN: I'm beginning to think you have potential.
My department allows the carry of any pistol of "reputable manufacture chambered for 9mm Luger, .40SW, .357Sig, .45ACP or 10mm Auto". But they ISSUE Glocks. This thread is about department purchases of XD's, not individual purchases for duty use.
Of any that allow approved personal weapons have to Springfield XD as an approved sidearm?
My bad.
I personally have little experience with Taurus semi-autos.
Haha. Touche. I'm off today. Brain runs on minimum power.
Our local PD recently changed from Sigs to Glocks, and this change over was the genesis of this question.
I do not know if the city asked for bids for new duty weapons or if Glock called 'em up and said "Have we got a deal for you"
As many of you stated, I also know of several individuals that own and swear (or affirm) by their XD.
Different strokes for different folks. I really really like my H&K USPc.
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
So what? The question included: "Of any that allow approved personal weapons have to Springfield XD as an approved sidearm?"
As the guy that wrenches on the guns to keep them working, and who helps to wrench on the officers to keep them shooting accurately, I can tell you there's more to agency purchases than just picking a sexy sidearm.
Cost, as has been mentioned, is a big part of it. If you're not going with the cheapest option - be it for handguns, light bulbs, or ballpoint pens - you're probably going to need to convince some know-nothing accountant why.
Ease of training is another factor. Time is money. Ammo is money also. Every agency has that small percentage of guys who are going to be 100% good to go with whatever you hand them. And they also have the guys that you have to spoon-feed to various degrees. Unfortunately, if you buy only for the ninjas, the LCD's will be out of their depth - spending more time on the range and burning more rounds to qual.
Ease and cost of service is up there as well. I take all kinds of guns apart in my free time. I enjoy dismantling an 1897 Winchester down to it's ten kaziliion small parts on a weekend. This does not mean I want - or am able - to do that all week long to keep 300 of them running.
Glocks pretty much win in every category here. They aren't necessarily the rock-bottom cheapest, but they are down there. They are easy to train people on when you have limited time to train them (unlike, say, a DA-to-SA system). In terms of day-to-day service, Glocks are by far and away the easiest and 1911's are not too far behind. After that you start to get into much more labor and/or cost intensive processes. When you add it all up, Gaston's got a system that's very hard to beat overall.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
I really would love to see Glock have a flat backstrap option.