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Razorbacker
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TrueTone's ammo test
Razorbacker
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They live in a town home, I believe and are concerned about over penetration. So I offered to test some for him and he sent me some
Hevi Shot Heavy Duty 12ga #4 Buck. The box says 2 3/4 30 pellets @ 1250 fps. It also says low recoil.
First thing I did was shoot some 3" 000 I had to compare recoil. His was noticeably less.
Then I set things up, I used about 6" of wet newspaper with some old jeans laying over the box front and back. a few feet beyond that I had set up some drywall to simulate a wall. then a few more feet I set up some water bottles. I fired from 7 yards.
At the shot the box fell off the table and shredded newspaper floated down. But the wad cup just bounced off the drywall without denting it. The pellets are frangible and didn't leave a mark in the dry wall. I am of the opinion that only a few pieces of the frangible pellets penetrated the box and got hung up in the denim. I found two pieces on the table. One small piece and a nearly whole piece. see piece on right in pic.
I then fired for comparison another round of my 000 Buck. It shredded through the box and both pieces of drywall. can't find my pic of the back wall.
And the bottles.
well I guess I'm having trouble tonight
anyway TT, sorry it took so long. the weather crapped out repeatedly.
You can draw your own conclusions. For me it's not enough penetration. In retrospect i should have patterned your ammo but didn't think of it. I've got more left if you have something else you want me to try.
Hevi Shot Heavy Duty 12ga #4 Buck. The box says 2 3/4 30 pellets @ 1250 fps. It also says low recoil.
First thing I did was shoot some 3" 000 I had to compare recoil. His was noticeably less.
Then I set things up, I used about 6" of wet newspaper with some old jeans laying over the box front and back. a few feet beyond that I had set up some drywall to simulate a wall. then a few more feet I set up some water bottles. I fired from 7 yards.
At the shot the box fell off the table and shredded newspaper floated down. But the wad cup just bounced off the drywall without denting it. The pellets are frangible and didn't leave a mark in the dry wall. I am of the opinion that only a few pieces of the frangible pellets penetrated the box and got hung up in the denim. I found two pieces on the table. One small piece and a nearly whole piece. see piece on right in pic.
I then fired for comparison another round of my 000 Buck. It shredded through the box and both pieces of drywall. can't find my pic of the back wall.
And the bottles.
well I guess I'm having trouble tonight
anyway TT, sorry it took so long. the weather crapped out repeatedly.
You can draw your own conclusions. For me it's not enough penetration. In retrospect i should have patterned your ammo but didn't think of it. I've got more left if you have something else you want me to try.
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It's all still set up so I can blast the drywall in the morning.
I use 3" 1 0z slugs alternating with 3" 00 Buck. 12ga obviously. I'll tell ya though, tennmike made some comments about the damage he's seen from 20ga slugs on deer. I've got a 20ga 870 with a nice little slug barrel I had made. My wife could more easily handle it, but more than likely I'll just set that up for her side of the bed. I think Zorba and his wife use a 20.
I have to say though that as legimate as I think you over penetration concerns are, it's enough penetration that I want.
Granted, 99 percent of bad guys can be dissuaded with the lightest birdshot, it's the 1 percent that nightmares are made of.
Yeah, about the 20 ga. and Foster lead slugs. I wouldn't feel in the least under gunned with those. 2 3/4 max load with a Foster slug is bad news, and the newer slug designs would be good, too. They would be a poor choice if over penetration was a concern, though. #4 or #2 lead or bismuth would be a good alternative for the 20 ga. and at normal HD ranges would hit with not much dispersal of the shot from a full or modified choke. Same shot size from a 12 ga. and same choke would also work.
― Douglas Adams
Well I have no experience with Hevi Shot buck so I had zero expectations. But I also don't know if 6" of wet newsprint with some old jeans thrown over it is in the least bit equivalent to a meth freak in a T shirt. But I did see today that Federal Premium 000 blasted through it all.
That 20ga bbl I had cut down, I can only assume is a wide open choke. But I think I'll play around with it and see.
Interesting results, thanks. It is good to think and choose about penetration (over/under) and effectiveness of HD loads. I don't think there is a "Goldilocks" load that fits every situation that will work for everyone that is "Just Right".
I will say ammunition has come leaps and bounds beyond what was offered years ago. Plenty of choices these days.
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You've got a cylinder bore on the cut down barrel so it will open up the pattern over a full or modified choke at the same distances.
Just remember this little rhyme. One to the crotch, two to the head, make sure the Esso bee is dead. :tooth:
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I have used heavy shot in #2 size and only on ducks; but, it does not deform hitting a duck.
So, is this some kind of heavy shot glued together?
How does a buckshot pellet react to being tapped with a hammer lightly then with increased force?
What is the brand of the ammo using heavy shot?
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I don't know if you ever saw it or not but we had repeated visits from a troll trying to sell us on .410 for SD. He argued about things like copper washed shot. So like most things, this bunch of fruit cakes turned it into an inside joke. That's probably what the Chief was alluding to.
Almost got your pattern test ready to post.
5" at 7 yards
and then 11" at 10 yards, both of these were straight into the drywall no wet newspaper or any thing.
Now compare and contrast yesterdays group at 7 yards with the triple ought buck, after passing through denim and wet newspaper 5 inch pattern
can be made solid as well as frangible.
From what I've seen here the frangible loads are just to sell to those afraid to use lead buck or solid Hevi shot buck in HD.
That is nonsense. Everyone knows you just point a shotgun in the general direction of the threat and it will cover it with lead.