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Up to 20 people stabbed at Pennsylvania high school.

shushshush Senior MemberPosts: 6,259 Senior Member
''A teenager armed with two knives has gone on a rampage at a high school in the US state of Pennsylvania, injuring 19 students and a security guard.''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26959628

''The 16-year-old student was taken into custody at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, a suburb of Pittsburgh, police said.

The wounded, some with serious stab wounds to the torso, were as young as 14. Several were in surgery in hospital.

All are expected to survive.''

Dear Lord, people!!!!!

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  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Not surprising since kids are no longer disciplined and spend all their free time playing violent video games.
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Knife registration next?
    Curious if he got the security guard as his first target.

    Matt
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,289 Senior Member
    Just Prayed:angel2: I wonder how this would have played out when I was in high school and we all had knives on us, when they were not banned items.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    Not surprising since kids are no longer disciplined and spend all their free time playing violent video games.


    Really? Numerous studies have shown there is no connection between two. correlation does not mean causation. Additionaly, if this was true then my generation would be a rampaging pack of killers. after all, we grew up glued to cartoons like Tom and Jerry, Wile E Coyote, Yosimite Sam, the Simpsons, He-Man, GI Joe, MASK, and many others. Not to mention the TV shows we watched ever chance we got; A-team, Tour of Duty, Macgyver, Air wolf, Magnum PI. 80's action movies...The list goes on. We were saturated with cartoon and real life violence.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Not surprising since kids are no longer disciplined and spend all their free time playing violent video games.

    Kids are supposed to be a bit undisciplined, testing the waters, and pushing the envelope - that's how we learn where the parameters and limits are - our own, and society's as well. The problem isn't with the kids, it's with the response from traditional authorities. Parents are often too weak, and schools are often too strict ( PopTart guns, twirling pencils, etc.). As for playing violent video games in our free time, every generation has amused itself in its free time -when I was a kid, back in the middle of the last century, there were no violent video games, but we played with toy guns, re-enacted great battles and campaigns with armies of toy soldiers and military board games. We killed millions and millions. The war movies of our time were plenty realistic enough, leaving nothing to the imagination, for us to realize what we were doing. Lo & Behold, most all of us grew up to be decent, peaceful, successful, contributing members of society. Imagine that.

    "Disciplined" people snap all the time - it's a statistical certainty in any population as large as ours. Only a teensy-weensy percent of violent video game devotees ever go on to actually commit any of the crimes liberalism says their computers train them to do. Only liberals think people are so easily deluded and misled, to confuse entertainment and diversion with real life. Any teenager will tell you that internet porn is nothing like climbing into the back seat of dear ol' dad's car and fogging the windows. That's why liberals are so eager to control what we think, see, say and do.

    Relax, Pelagic Kayaker, I know, all of us here know, you aren't a progressive liberal. But conservatives often fall into the same intellectual traps liberals do. I did it for years, you're doing it now, Wayne LaPierre has done it. There's plenty of real stimulus-response, and cause & effect things going on with kids, schools and society, but video games aren't the problem.
  • U TU T Member Posts: 423 Member
    glad he didn't have a gun, but wish some teachers had. might not be so many injured?
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,930 Senior Member
    I can't understand how he got so many. Even if the other kids were not armed I don't think he would have got but a couple of us back when we were in school. Even if none of us had a knife.
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    I can't understand how he got so many. Even if the other kids were not armed I don't think he would have got but a couple of us back when we were in school. Even if none of us had a knife.

    Sheeple.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,591 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    As for playing violent video games in our free time, every generation has amused itself in its free time -when I was a kid, back in the middle of the last century, there were no violent video games, but we played with toy guns, re-enacted great battles and campaigns with armies of toy soldiers and military board games. We killed millions and millions. The war movies of our time were plenty realistic enough, leaving nothing to the imagination, for us to realize what we were doing. Lo & Behold, most all of us grew up to be decent, peaceful, successful, contributing members of society. Imagine that.

    One difference that I believe is real and appreciable is the context of the violence from earlier media and forms of entertainment. For example, Tom & Jerry cartoons were on in my house every weekday, and they beat the crap out of each other, but nobody died, and it wasn't at all realistic. The Super Friends on Saturday morning beat up bad guys all the time, but never killed them. I couldn't get in to see a movie like 'Apocalypse Now', so that was a non-issue. But TV shows, like the aforementioned 'A-Team', had plenty of gun violence, but Hannibal and B.A. never killed anybody.

    In terms of context, I sincerely believe that the difference between the violence we see in various entertainment mediums today vs. earlier time frames is the shift in moral context; there was, at least in my experience, a reason or explanation (for lack of a better term) for the violence in earlier times. It didn't seem to be overly glorified or needlessly horrific during my childhood, so I didn't attribute such a 'cool factor' to it. And I sincerely believe that glorified and graphic wanton violence that is devoid of moral context (we can debate the standards in another discussion) has a desensitizing effect on younger, more impressionable minds.
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    U T wrote: »
    glad he didn't have a gun, but wish some teachers had. might not be so many injured?

    UT, he couldn't have a gun. He's too young to possess one, it's against the law! See, gun control works!!
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,141 Senior Member
    Om the news tonight...I saw them discussing this with a woman who asked "What have we done that this child would do such a horrific thing?" Uhhhhhh Hey Dummy..... "WE" have nothing to do with it....
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,289 Senior Member
    Sheeple.

    C'mon folks, they are a bunch of kids, what do you expect out of them, they were were horrified at their bleeding stabbed classmates, 19 of them, the ones with 1/2 a brain were more concerned about saving their friends after the attacker moved on to the next room and the rest were paralyzed with indecision because they have no refernce point how to deal with such a thing, it was bloody-chaotic-loud and fast, I am a little surprised none of the victims got ahold of him and hung on, that would have invited a pile on. Plus, the fire alarm got pulled, that may have played into the attackers number of victims in his immediate vicinity.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • U TU T Member Posts: 423 Member
    UT, he couldn't have a gun. He's too young to possess one, it's against the law! See, gun control works!!

    You are so right! I wish he new the school rules against knives. All would have been spared this carnage?
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Kids are supposed to be a bit undisciplined, testing the waters, and pushing the envelope - that's how we learn where the parameters and limits are - our own, and society's as well. The problem isn't with the kids, it's with the response from traditional authorities. Parents are often too weak, and schools are often too strict ( PopTart guns, twirling pencils, etc.). As for playing violent video games in our free time, every generation has amused itself in its free time -when I was a kid, back in the middle of the last century, there were no violent video games, but we played with toy guns, re-enacted great battles and campaigns with armies of toy soldiers and military board games. We killed millions and millions. The war movies of our time were plenty realistic enough, leaving nothing to the imagination, for us to realize what we were doing. Lo & Behold, most all of us grew up to be decent, peaceful, successful, contributing members of society. Imagine that.

    "Disciplined" people snap all the time - it's a statistical certainty in any population as large as ours. Only a teensy-weensy percent of violent video game devotees ever go on to actually commit any of the crimes liberalism says their computers train them to do. Only liberals think people are so easily deluded and misled, to confuse entertainment and diversion with real life. Any teenager will tell you that internet porn is nothing like climbing into the back seat of dear ol' dad's car and fogging the windows. That's why liberals are so eager to control what we think, see, say and do.

    Relax, Pelagic Kayaker, I know, all of us here know, you aren't a progressive liberal. But conservatives often fall into the same intellectual traps liberals do. I did it for years, you're doing it now, Wayne LaPierre has done it. There's plenty of real stimulus-response, and cause & effect things going on with kids, schools and society, but video games aren't the problem.

    AGREED. HOWEVER.... I won't let my kids have anything like Grand Theft Auto. That just seems wrong to me no matter HOW you try to justify it.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    C'mon folks, they are a bunch of kids, what do you expect out of them, they were were horrified at their bleeding stabbed classmates, 19 of them, the ones with 1/2 a brain were more concerned about saving their friends after the attacker moved on to the next room and the rest were paralyzed with indecision because they have no refernce point how to deal with such a thing, it was bloody-chaotic-loud and fast, I am a little surprised none of the victims got ahold of him and hung on, that would have invited a pile on. Plus, the fire alarm got pulled, that may have played into the attackers number of victims in his immediate vicinity.

    Maybe it is just because I went to a small country school. I tend to have more fight instinct than flight. So did my buddies in school. A person like that would not have made it out of the commons area in my school. Hell you would've had to take a number so you could kick his butt.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,289 Senior Member
    Maybe it is just because I went to a small country school. I tend to have more fight instinct than flight. So did my buddies in school. A person like that would not have made it out of the commons area in my school. Hell you would've had to take a number so you could kick his butt.

    I know what you are saying, but if my buddy was stabbed and the attacker moved on, I would be doing first aid. I graduated 25 plus years ago from a town of just under 20K, between the students AND the faculty at my HS, this probably would have been a briefer attack.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    We don't need to ban knives we just need some common sense knife laws. Veterans should be banned because they all have mental problems and anyone under a 7 figure income is too stupid to use them properly so they should not have them either. all the rest can keep their knives. See common sense approach, we don't want to ban them all together.
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Kids are supposed to be a bit undisciplined, testing the waters, and pushing the envelope - that's how we learn where the parameters and limits are - our own, and society's as well. The problem isn't with the kids, it's with the response from traditional authorities. Parents are often too weak, and schools are often too strict ( PopTart guns, twirling pencils, etc.). As for playing violent video games in our free time, every generation has amused itself in its free time -when I was a kid, back in the middle of the last century, there were no violent video games, but we played with toy guns, re-enacted great battles and campaigns with armies of toy soldiers and military board games. We killed millions and millions. The war movies of our time were plenty realistic enough, leaving nothing to the imagination, for us to realize what we were doing. Lo & Behold, most all of us grew up to be decent, peaceful, successful, contributing members of society. Imagine that.

    "Disciplined" people snap all the time - it's a statistical certainty in any population as large as ours. Only a teensy-weensy percent of violent video game devotees ever go on to actually commit any of the crimes liberalism says their computers train them to do. Only liberals think people are so easily deluded and misled, to confuse entertainment and diversion with real life. Any teenager will tell you that internet porn is nothing like climbing into the back seat of dear ol' dad's car and fogging the windows. That's why liberals are so eager to control what we think, see, say and do.

    Relax, Pelagic Kayaker, I know, all of us here know, you aren't a progressive liberal. But conservatives often fall into the same intellectual traps liberals do. I did it for years, you're doing it now, Wayne LaPierre has done it. There's plenty of real stimulus-response, and cause & effect things going on with kids, schools and society, but video games aren't the problem.

    I have to disagree. There's a big difference between our generation playing with cap guns and fantasizing about "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and indians" and 'counting to thirty and you're alive again' to an 8 year old of today playing a game with some guy blowing his head off and clumps of brain matter being splattered on the wall. Cartoons, games and shows we watched as little kids don't even come close nor even compare one iota to the gore, rape, torture and calculated cold blooded murder in video games of today. When we as responsible gun owners and 2A supporters fail to recognize this we lose credibility and have no chance in hell of gaining much needed support in the battle over Constitutional rights. ...ain't too hard to figure out. When daddy or mommy can't figure out why little Johnny or little Susan is a problem child, or worse..., well then, their job as a parent might as well be handed over to the parents of Jeffery Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,146 Senior Member
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    I don't think it has much to do with being either a child of "the greatest generation" or a child of the video age. I think it has a lot to do with the breakdown of our historical societal norms and the fact that both parents typically work nowadays and are too tired to fight the day to day battles that have become the norm with child rearing.

    Not saying mom needs to stay at home, and not saying dad's place is at work. Just saying that raising children is a paramount endeavor and a parent needs to be there to do it. Children doing it themselves, as is often the case nowadays, results in more headlines.

    I don't care if you're a doctor, mechanic, aerospace engineer, or AIDS researcher. NO job you have is more important than raising your little hellions to be members of society. Period. It starts at home. And they can't (read won't) do it themselves.

    What's the answer in this materialistic society that practically requires everyone of legal employment age to work? Beats me, but until we figure it out............it's gonna be the same old same old.

    Oh...and by same old same old.....I mean it wasn't that common thirty years ago.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,289 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Not the kids, the teachers.

    I gave the staff some credit since one of them got the atacker restrained.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,591 Senior Member
    I can see the spin machine warming up. Anti-gunners will see this as an example of why guns need to be banned. It's fortunate that no one died in this incident, but the spin will be that it's because the assailant used a knife instead of a gun.
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
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