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horselipshorselips Senior MemberPosts: 3,628 Senior Member
Within certifiably Western Civilization, for much of the last millennium, for whatever reasons, history has been relatively unkind towards Blacks and Jews. Everywhere, oppression, exploitation and persecution has been their fate. Now, finally, here in America they are accepted and free, and given equal opportunity to live out their lives. Yippeee. At least for now. But in the future...?

What I cannot understand, and what makes no sense to me whatsoever, is that most Jews and Blacks are not eager to be armed - either individually or collectively. Some Blacks have organized themselves into gangs - not so much for mutual protection but for criminality. Some Jews have joined JPFO, but their membership is small. American Jews have learned nothing from their Israeli brethren who are only comfortable being armed to the teeth. By and large, huge majorities of both groups vote to keep themselves disarmed and vulnerable to whatever predation the future may hold.

By Divine fiat, for better or worse, I am neither Jewish or Black, but given the horrors of history, if I were, I'd be a gun freak. Jewish Community Centers and Black Colleges should be arsenals, and busy training their attendees in a modern manual of arms. Just in case civilization's crystal ball gets cloudy again.

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  • topguntopgun Member Posts: 128 Member
    I live in a largely Jewish area, and I have asked some of them why they vote for jew-hating liberals who want to cut funding to Israel, and they've got some sort of convoluted logic for doing so. I've also got some Jewish friends who claim that some jews are what they call self-hating, but I'm not sure what to make of that. My more conservative Jewish friends aren't like that, and actually go to serve in the military over there.
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    These are good questions and ones I don't have the answers to. Just guessing but I think for black folks, the progressives have taught them to be dependent on big government. For Jews I'm clueless. My step dad, RIP, was Jewish and very ant-gun.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    horse, you bring forth a difficult subject and one that I've considered for years. It makes perfect sense that both blacks and Jews should keep themselves well armed, and I can't for the life of me understand why they don't. And yeah, I understand that we're talking about non-criminal blacks or Jews.

    I do remember one funny incident from a few years ago. I was hanging out in the general area of the indoor range where I go shoot, chatting with a couple of LEO pals, and a middle-age black guy came out of the range area, smiling. He had a big stainless revolver and a silhouette target, which he proudly held up for us to see. The center area was totally chewed away, with very few misses around the periphery.

    One of the cops said to him, "Great shooting! You need to hang that in your rec room."
    To which the black guy replied, "Rec room, hell! I'll hang it on my front porch!"

    Which explains perfectly the attitude of those few pro-gun blacks whom I've known, same as the pro-gun Jews I've met. They're almost militant in their fervor.

    Why there aren't more, I really don't know -- it makes no logical sense.

    Myself, as a descendant of Jews (my grandfather converted to Christianity), I've always felt a vivid connection with Jews and Israel, and have always been a strong supporter of Israel as well. I've never been there, but I understand that out front of the Shoah (Holocaust) museum in Tel Aviv, a sign proclaims "Never Again!"

    And that would certainly be my motto were I black or a Jew. As to why more don't feel that way, a mystery. I can't speak from much personal experience, because most of my black or Jewish pals have been pro-gun, mostly because those who were anti were also too politically liberalized for me to have much in common with.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Sam, my knowledge of Israeli history is limited, at best, but doesn't the phrase "Never Again!" actually refer to the siege of Masada, where the Jewish defenders chose suicide over slavery to the Romans?
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    One of my East Texas Baptist first cousins is married to a very nice man who happens to be Jewish. He's one of the finest people I have ever met. I'm proud to call him cousin, even though it's only by marriage. But, he's a Liberal. I have asked him these questions and he has never given me a good answer. His brother, from California of all places, is a Conservative to the hilt. I'm not sure if he's the only one in the family, but he is very conservative and he says he has some "INTERESTING" conversations with some of his siblings.

    Also, there is a Jewish Gun Group and I think it's called Jews for Guns. These guys (And Gals) are not in the majority, but conservative American Jews are growing in number. Even some Hollywood type Jews are getting conservative. Remember Jackie Mason, the comedian? He's a staunch conservative and preaches it to as many people as he can. Look at Ed Koch, the former mayor of New York. He was a liberal Dummycrap, But he backed George W. for President in 2004 and I think McCain and Romney also. Conservatism is common sense and Jews are generally above average in intelligence. Before WWII Jews generally started turning liberal because so many socialist-communist were because of Hitler and the Third Reich and their Anti Semitist views. But I think Jews are beginning to move toward the middle as they see either extreme is not good. And, beginning in the 90s the Dummycraps began to try to abandon Israel. This is slowly waking American Jews up.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 6,772 Senior Member
    From the Jewish end, my wife is Jewish. I asked her the same question a few years ago.

    I think this might be your answer: http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/religion/jewish.gif

    Notice the geographic concentrations. It's pretty evident that the majority of Jews are concentrated in more "urban" areas that tend to have a strong bias against 2A rights. IMO, at least in the United States, anti-gun isn't a "Jewish thing", it's simply a reflection of a few generations of anti-gun conditioning to which many otherwise levelheaded demographic groups have fallen victim.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Sam, my knowledge of Israeli history is limited, at best, but doesn't the phrase "Never Again!" actually refer to the siege of Masada, where the Jewish defenders chose suicide over slavery to the Romans?
    Jerry

    You're correct that this was the first use of that slogan, which is of course famed in Jewish lore, but it was then applied to Shoah remembrances as well.
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    I think if you were of European nobility your title would be Lord Root of the Matter.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,050 Senior Member
    Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    That is soooo true.
    I failed history in the 5th and 6th form years at school and had to go back and repeat it.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    What happens when the "history" is deliberately falsified to conform with the social engineers' ideology?

    :confused:
    Jerry
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    What happens when the "history" is deliberately falsified to conform with the social engineers' ideology?

    :confused:
    Jerry

    We get liberalism
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,543 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    What happens when the "history" is deliberately falsified to conform with the social engineers' ideology?

    :confused:
    Jerry

    You get a "Black America" vs. a "White America" (only when it's convenient, though), a race of people subjugating themselves to a victim mentality, and calls for "reparations".
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    [QUOTE=Teach
    What happens when the "history" is deliberately falsified to conform with the social engineers' ideology?

    Jerry

    You're both correct. Throughout time people have forgotten, or at least taken the attitude that it can't happen now, and repeated the mistakes of their ancestors or other civilizations before them.

    Nowadays, those with definite agendas they feel are most important (And more often flawed) tend to change history to fit their needs.

    So we're screwed either way.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    I'm voting white!









































    That probably raised a few eyebrows. That was said to show exactly how Obama got elected. Not on merit, experience or candor but soley based on the color of his skin.

    btw... I'll vote for whomever I believe fit as long as they believe in our Constitution regardless of race or religion.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    I'm voting white!










































    That probably raised a few eyebrows. That was said to show exactly how Obama got elected. Not on merit, experience or candor but soley based on the color of his skin.

    btw... I'll vote for whomever I believe fit as long as they believe in our Constitution regardless of race or religion.

    Me too! in 2008 I was hoping to vote for a black man, but not Obama, Herman Cain. I feel he had some great ideas and every tax season I wish more and more that he or someone like him would have been elected. But he got railroaded by the same bunch of shameless jerks that tried to take down Clarence Thomas.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    I'm not completely sure why the Jews are like they are, but as for the blacks, I feel they have been misled by the Dummycraps so long that they feel the government will always take care of them.

    However, as for blacks and guns, one of the proponents of concealed carry here in Texas was a Democrat state representative from Houston. I am not sure now, it's been awhile, but I think his name was Ron Wilson. He was tired of innocent blacks being beat up and shot by druggies and scumbags in the hood. And there were more blacks like him pushing for the legislation.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,768 Senior Member
    At the risk of being labeled a racist...I know a lot of responsible law-abiding black gun-owners/shooters...strangely, they also have regular jobs, speak coherent English and are very Conservative in their political leanings... anim_peep.gif
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,013 Senior Member
    One of my best friends is Jewish, and he ties it to the whole self-loathing thing. But my buddy is of the opposite 'modern Israeli' mindset. He has armed himself to the teeth, and is ready for the next time that history decides that it's time to pick on the members of the tribe again.

    I think Linefinder has it right, though. It's the concentration in NYC and LA of both moronic, I mean LIBERAL thought and Jewish population centers
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,768 Senior Member
    I think you will find that there have always been Jews who weren't pacifists....If you wind the clock back to WWII in the Warsaw Ghetto, you will see the same two opposites in the Jewish community. Some chose to cower and await the inevitable while others were busy bumping off guards and using their weapons to defend themselves.
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    While we might be able to make some generalized assumptions based on ethnicity, (some inaccurate ones, usually) it seems that the tendency to be wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs crosses racial and socio-economic lines pretty frequently!
    Jerry
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,543 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    While we might be able to make some generalized assumptions based on ethnicity, (some inaccurate ones, usually) it seems that the tendency to be wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs crosses racial and socio-economic lines pretty frequently!
    Jerry

    Damn right.:that:
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • Mrs_ChiefMrs_Chief Member Posts: 292 Member
    My solution is this:

    Everyone from all ethnic backgrounds needs to get a.............................Drum Roll Please





















    RACE GUN :tooth::tooth:

    BC
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    Mrs_Chief wrote: »
    My solution is this:

    Everyone from all ethnic backgrounds needs to get a.............................Drum Roll Please





















    RACE GUN :tooth::tooth:

    BC

    Is that similar to a BBQ Gun? :tooth:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    I only know one Jew, and he has a gun. He just doesn't want anybody else to have one.
  • Mrs_ChiefMrs_Chief Member Posts: 292 Member
    I noticed before I left Fort Hood/Killeen TX last year more and more blacks using the range on weekends using privately owned weapons, even families. Glad to see it.

    Sometimes a GI teaching his wife how to shoot/protect herself with deployments coming up and a lot of just recreational shootin :guns::guns:

    BC
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