Why does Dept of Ag. need these?

BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior MemberPosts: 4,266 Senior Member
More of Obama's civilian army building I guess. So much for getting any of those Kel-Tecs for a while :tissue:. Not sure what else fits this, the folding stock is what makes it unique to this solicitation.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/14/Dept-Of-Agriculture-Orders-Submachine-Guns-With-30-Round-Magazines

"A May 7th solicitation by the U.S. Department of Agriculture seeks "the commercial acquisition of submachine guns [in] .40 Cal. S&W."
According to the solicitation, the Dept. of Agriculture wants the guns to have an "ambidextrous safety, semiautomatic or 2 round [bursts] trigger group, Tritium night sights front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore group) and scope (top rear), stock collapsible or folding," and a "30 rd. capacity" magazine.

They also want the submachine guns to have a "sling," be "lightweight," and have an "oversized trigger guard for gloved operation."

The solicitation directs "all responsible and/or interested sources...[to] submit their company name, point of contact, and telephone." Companies that submit information in a "timely" fashion "shall be considered by the agency for contact to determine weapon suitability."
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    Danged boll weevils must be organizing into militias. Or the Dept. of Agriculture is getting ready to take over farms by force for the 'collective'. Either way, they will get their donkeys kicked up between their shoulder blades, or higher, and have to part the hair on the back of their heads to take a poop. On the bright side, all those D of A carcasses will make reasonable compost, even if it is low grade.

    Could be they are planning on giving out government cheese and peanut butter again, and need to arm up to hold off the stampeding hordes at the giveaway sites.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    The US Forest Service is under the blanket of the USDA, they have armed enforcement officers with the power or arrest in most states.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    U.S. Forest Service.....................bears getting militant or chipmunks getting organized into gangs. While they may deal with marijuana growers accidentally, they need to call in the people who deal with this stuff on a regular basis; you know, cops.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    U.S. Forest Service.....................bears getting militant or chipmunks getting organized into gangs. While they may deal with marijuana growers accidentally, they need to call in the people who deal with this stuff on a regular basis; you know, cops.

    But then they wouldn't get to buy their nifty toys.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,078 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    U.S. Forest Service.....................bears getting militant or chipmunks getting organized into gangs. While they may deal with marijuana growers accidentally, they need to call in the people who deal with this stuff on a regular basis; you know, cops.
    Yeah, but federal statute probably prevents cops from enforcing poaching laws and such on federal lands, so the USFS therefore needs its own law enforcement officers.

    Kinda the same reason most states have DNR/Game Wardens.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,078 Senior Member
    They need to keep up with the USPS
  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    U.S. Forest Service.....................bears getting militant or chipmunks getting organized into gangs. While they may deal with marijuana growers accidentally, they need to call in the people who deal with this stuff on a regular basis; you know, cops.

    The USFS enforcement officers are certified peace officers... you know.,,,, cops?
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,336 Senior Member
    Give them uniforms with at least three concentric rings on the front and back.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,078 Senior Member
    To me the question is: why subguns? Would not an AR carbine be more versatile with only marginally more size?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,607 Senior Member
    This is why!
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,626 Senior Member
    The Department of Agriculture, from its beginnings, has never needed such weapons. What happened all of a sudden to change the situation? The answer, of course, is "nothing." It's just the continuing militarization of every branch of government. All true socialists are by nature totalitarians. Hmmmm, I wonder if I should visit my local FEMA camp early and start decorating my room?
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,935 Senior Member
    Marry Jane growers in the forest
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    Ranch13 wrote: »
    The USFS enforcement officers are certified peace officers... you know.,,,, cops?

    Ya don't get sarcasm, do you. :roll:

    Anyway, most of the armed USFS tarts I've met should be issued only rubber replicas of guns. It's a bit disconcerting to be fishing and have one sneak up on you and ask to see your fishing license(yeah, they do that) and NEVER let their hand leave their pistol butt while they are doing the checking. And that arrogant attitude from the beginning of the encounter isn't a winning attitude to get the public behind you. Got to the point when I spot green vehicles and uniforms I see red.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,023 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Marry Jane growers in the forest

    Handled by USFS and local yokels, not USDA.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    timc wrote: »
    This is why!

    Well, we ARE growing Frankenfood now. I'd hate to think what the Frankencorn might do! :silly:

    I remember seeing that movie late one night. Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, was the host. I was watching Elvira more than the movie, though. Always waiting for a 'wardrobe malfunction'.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Cliven Bundy.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,266 Senior Member
    Only reason I can think why they want .40s is maybe that is what their sidearm is. Still not sure what gun fits their specs. Maybe a JRC AR15 in .40cal but not sure they can make it fire bursts. Do they make 40 cal uppers? I know they make 9mm, never seen a 40.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,078 Senior Member
    Handled by USFS and local yokels, not USDA.
    USFS is a part of the USDA.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    Cliven Bundy.

    No that's the BLM. You know, Bowel Liquid Movement, a.k.a. diarrhea.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    Don't forget about APHIS, those are the guys that go after the illegally imported exotic plant and animal species, the exporters of poached elk antlers, etc, and that also covers animal damage control, and the government trappers.
    The USDA is a big outfit.
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    USDABLMBATFIRSICEDILLIGAFABCDEFGIJKLMNOP. Any federal agency with acronyms must be armed.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    It's as absolutely necessary for the federal government to arm the USDA as it was for Nazi Germany to arm the German postal service in the early 1930's. Are you so blind that you can't see that?
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    No that's the BLM. You know, Bowel Liquid Movement, a.k.a. diarrhea.

    Potato, pahtato one damn group of turd licking mouth breathers is as bad as the next.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,135 Senior Member
    I don't believe this is authentic. If someone can source it beyond a rumor, I'd like to see it.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,078 Senior Member
    There was a link in the article to the FBO solicitation. Link is here:

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9fc3a01217d03b0354e1e18b69aa7bad&tab=core&_cview=0
    Overkill is underrated.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I don't believe this is authentic. If someone can source it beyond a rumor, I'd like to see it.

    Here's a GSA document linked to the request. If you can't believe the gooberment, then who can you believe.

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9fc3a01217d03b0354e1e18b69aa7bad&tab=core&tabmode=list&=
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,135 Senior Member
    Could be true. I know the USDA destroys feral hogs at night. Looks like a job for a silenced Blackout to me. Whoever wrote that memo lacks a spellcheck on their computer.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,266 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I don't believe this is authentic. If someone can source it beyond a rumor, I'd like to see it.

    The source was in the article, link to the gov website asking for suppliers to bid.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,469 Senior Member
    I was a Marine. We always had fully auto weapons. But, 98% of the time, we didn't have ammo.

    The USDA gets auto weapons. And they probably have more ammo than most Marines.

    Ergo.....most USDA agents are better armed than most US Marines.

    This is somewhat disconcerting on a very basic level.

    Mike
    Decisions have consequences, not everything in life gets an automatic mulligan.
    KSU Firefighter
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,683 Senior Member
    Someone might get sick from raw milk.

    So we should shoot them if they try it.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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