Mountain Men a .410 to stop bears???????

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,046 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    and me with the 410 held HOW? Jerry, knowing my rep, would not bet against me. :-) If I had to sling the 410, sure. But both of us, gun held at the ready? When it's for REAL, no ear protection? I"ll do it. and I bet Jerry wouldn't. :-)
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,978 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)

    You are telling us you can hit a charging/attacking bear with a .410 semi-auto shotgun (using slugs I presume) in the head for brain shots? And you would pick a .410 over a .44 caliber revolver and you could do it better than a world renowned revolver champion using a .44?

    Dude, you are either the best there ever was or just full of prunes!
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,891 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)
    I finally read this post.

    Frankly, it is not so.
    While an auto loading shotgun can be shot incredibly fast, the time taken to make aimed shots on a charging bear head will extend the total time needed,
    it is more complicated motor skills than just pulling your finger.

    I'm beginning to think your are a kid that copies stuff off the web and re-posts it to bait us.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,259 Senior Member
    Wouldn't a .410 slug bounce off a bears head?
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,489 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)

    Oh great white hunter, have you ever seen a bear, much less a charging bear, you really think your good enough to hit a bear running at 30mph with his head bobbing around, do you have any idea how thick the skull is.
    I think your letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird a**.

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,830 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    and me with the 410 held HOW? Jerry, knowing my rep, would not bet against me. :-) If I had to sling the 410, sure. But both of us, gun held at the ready? When it's for REAL, no ear protection? I"ll do it. and I bet Jerry wouldn't. :-)

    Dude!....Stop!...I mean...I, personally, am totally impressed with you and I know others are staring at their computer screens, slack-jawed with awe... but if you pound yourself on the back any more you're going to hurt yourself......
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  • gaimangaiman Banned Posts: 60 Member
    (Edited out) facts are facts. I don't need you, or anyone else. regardless of how easy or hard it is to hit the brain, you GOTTA, if you want to reliably stop charges, cause chest hits CAN'T do it, reliably. Deer run off with 12 ga slugs thru the chest, so why would you "think" slugs to the chest reliably stop a much larger, more aggressive critter, hmm? Because you're ignorant of the facts, that's why.
  • FlashoverFlashover Member Posts: 388 Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    (retracted) facts are facts. I don't need you, or anyone else. regardless of how easy or hard it is to hit the brain, you GOTTA, if you want to reliably stop charges, cause chest hits CAN'T do it, reliably. Deer run off with 12 ga slugs thru the chest, so why would you "think" slugs to the chest reliably stop a much larger, more aggressive critter, hmm? Because you're ignorant of the facts, that's why.

    Wow..sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the mall bench this morning. Lighten up pal.
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Wouldn't a .410 slug bounce off a bears head?

    Probably, unless the slug was copper washed, but I think you're confusing it with the .270... or the.327
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,624 Senior Member
    I saw a bear once. It was in the movie "The Wind And The Lion." It was all dead and stuffed and mounted. It was cool.

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,830 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    (Edited out language) facts are facts. I don't need you, or anyone else. regardless of how easy or hard it is to hit the brain, you GOTTA, if you want to reliably stop charges, cause chest hits CAN'T do it, reliably. Deer run off with 12 ga slugs thru the chest, so why would you "think" slugs to the chest reliably stop a much larger, more aggressive critter, hmm? Because you're ignorant of the facts, that's why.

    For the record....I edited your post...ain't going to do it again...best keep your temper in check and THINK about the consequences before you hit the old "Post Quick Reply" button. One more time and you're a goner...
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,978 Senior Member
    All hat and no cattle comes to mind here.

    Do you have any video of you shootin anything? You don't have to disclose your name or location, but surely a contender with your skill level has some video?
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    and me with the 410 held HOW? Jerry, knowing my rep, would not bet against me. :-) If I had to sling the 410, sure. But both of us, gun held at the ready? When it's for REAL, no ear protection? I"ll do it. and I bet Jerry wouldn't. :-)

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,736 Senior Member
    Semiauto .410 shotgun; Remington still makes the 1100 in .410, and there's the Saiga. I guess the Saiga would be superior, especially if you had a functional 50 round drum. With the drum magazine, you could pizz of the bear a lot more than with just the five shots from the Rem. 1100. A royally pizzed off grizzly would probably kill you faster than one only mildly annoyed. I guess.
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  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    Flashover wrote: »
    Wow..sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the mall bench this morning. Lighten up Francis.

    FIFY
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)

    Having lived in Alaska............90 miles from the nearest flush toilet..in very thick bear country......I would not even consider a .410 shotgun.......hell..I think those ptarmigan up there are to tough for a 410 to handle.....
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,736 Senior Member
    Fuzzy Wuzzy
    Was a bear,
    Fuzzy Wuzzy
    Had no hair,
    Fuzzy Wuzzy
    Wasn't really fuzzy,
    Wuzzy?
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,410 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Fuzzy Wuzzy
    Was a bear,
    Fuzzy Wuzzy
    Had no hair,
    Fuzzy Wuzzy wuzzent fuzzy,
    Wuzzy?

    Edited for correctness.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,978 Senior Member
    I've heard the term used in old movies. Here is where it started and click on the link for a bunch of Fuzzy Wuzzy Nursery Rhymes.

    Hell, I guess the term would be not PC these days. It's even difficult to get a book of children's rhymes these days with the original wordings.


    http://www.poetpatriot.com/poems-rhyfuzzywuzzy.htm


    "The term "Fuzzy Wuzzy" originated in the 1800s. British Soldiers gave the nickname, "fuzzy wuzzy" to the Hadendoa warriors that were a nomadic tribe along the Red Sea in Sudan. The Hadendoa were a formidable fighting force that gained the respect of the better trained British forces. The Hadendoa warriors wore their hair matted which gave a "fuzzy" appearance. The British were eventually victorious over the Fuzzy Wuzzies but with a greater fight than other enemies.
    Rudyard Kippling wrote a poem in 1890, Fuzzy Wuzzy that praised the Hadendoa warriors for their fighting skills. "So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in the Soudan; / You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man"
    Today Fuzzy Wuzzy is known more as the nursery rhyme many of us learned as children."
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