I Have A Question.....Opinions, Please

woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior MemberPosts: 2,725 Senior Member
Very rarely do I check in here on the Personal Defense Thread. Even though I've had a Concealed Carry Permit for many years, I simply don't feel a need to carry unless I'm on the road with the family en route to somewhere. I live in the woods for the most part and am almost always in a safe environment. BUT....more and more we are having major trouble with the "Methonites" and other druggies in the area, and it shows no sign of letting up. I've read that old men are considered high-end targets for violent attacks, and, even though I feel like I'm 20 years old, I Ain't! So.....

Personal defense holds more interest for me now than it ever has. I watched a video earlier this morning selling a personal defense training program that has triggered me into thinking a little stronger on this issue. I knew instantly that it was a "sales gimmick", but it made sense and it pointed out a lot of things that I've always said about action-reaction in a confrontational situation. So, my question....

Who is familiar with this video training course? Recommend or ignore? Your thoughts, please:

THE ARMED AMERICAN'SCOMPLETE CONCEILED CARRY GUIDE TO EFFECTIVE SELF-DEFENSE. The 7 videos cost $147.00 shipped, which is pretty low in $$ in my opinion. Is it worth the time that it would require in training? Anyone?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,990 Senior Member
    I think videos is like porn, might be fun to watch, but ain't the real thing. Maybe a course with live fire exercises if you feel you need it ??????
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,348 Senior Member
    Rich, as a first impression, it sounds like sucker bait. You'll end up watching some clown half your age preach about stuff you probably already know. He will probably list his qualifications to pocket your money as being some sort of master at situational awareness, and he will reccomend tactical tricks that only work in certain very specific circumstances. The video series will end by offering an "advanced-level training" course that will suck more money out of your pocket like a Hoover upright vacuum cleaner.

    Rule #1: Have a gun
    Rule #2: Carry it as often as possible
    Rule #3: Be aware of your surroundings
    Rule #4: Don't take unnecessary chances
    Rule #5: Run or hide if you can; shoot if you must

    There, I just summarized the video course and it didn't cost you a dime!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,592 Senior Member
    Rich although I am a little younger than yourself, I find myself easing into that age group that young thugs think of as an easy target.

    I find myself armed more often than not these days. Not long ago I was like you, always had a gun when traveling, going into areas that I was unfamiliar with, in a situation when I carried larger amounts of money, things like that. I have always been aware of what is/was around me, Military and a short time as a LEO taught me that, and I know sometimes I see more than I want to about people.

    As for those training videos, I totaly agree with Jerry. They are not worth the cost of the blank DVD they were recorded on.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,348 Senior Member
    While you're on the forum today, how about giving us an update on your medical situation? Everybody at the shoot was concerned about you!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,960 Senior Member
    Jerry's advise is spot on. You've worked in the woods most of your life and have learned to recognize the critters that aren't harmful and the ones to avoid at all costs. Use that same knowledge to identify the two legged critters that fit those descriptions. Nothing more than situational awareness that helps you avoid the bad and mostly ignore the harmless.

    Got more than my share of those "Methonites" in my area. They are usually easy to spot, though, once you learn to recognize them. They are all 'twitchy'; can't stand still and act more than a little odd. I treat them like nuclear radiation; time, distance, shielding. Time is keeping them at a distance and the more the better, distance is increasing that separation, and shielding is making a point of trying to put something between them and me. Tweakers are psychotic on and off the drug, and highly unpredictable.

    Living out in the country is good and bad. Good in that most of the stuff happens in more populated areas. Bad in that being somewhat isolated, it can be a tempting target, and sneaking up on an isolated house is easier. A good dog can make that a bit harder for the interlopers. And carry all the time, and have one handy in the house at all times. I'd bet you have a pocket knife on you all the time; your CCW should be no different when out and about.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,798 Senior Member
    Better than videos, get to a range that will allow you to practice self defense techniques, like point shooting, close up / contact shots, and shooting around corners and barriers., and using a light and a gun at the same time.

    If the Methonite comes to visit it will be in one of several ways. In your home at night, in your car when stopped, or up close and personal. Knowing what to do and when AND practicing it will be far more useful than just the video. It might be some fun to practice, too.

    What is your night time plan? 80% of confrontations happen at night. You hear the glass break at 2 AM, and you are getting up from a sound sleep. What do you do? Meth heads are not really looking for you, they need money to support their habits and they are also irrational.

    In all cases, get your phone, glasses, light and self defense weapon of choice.

    1. Grab your family and leave the area and call 911 if possible. Nothing in your home is as valuable as your lives.

    or

    2. Collect your family and shelter in place and call 911. If the bad guy is coming to you, you get the first shot if they open the door.

    or lastly if you must...

    3. Call 911 and clear your house via walk around. You and your family are in the most danger in this scenario, so it should be last.

    Overall, plan, practice, and be prepared. Everyone in your home should be a part of your drills if possible.

    Outside of the home, you need a car plan and a personal encounter plan.

    IMHO

    D
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Rich, as a first impression, it sounds like sucker bait.
    Rule #1: Have a gun
    Rule #2: Carry it as often as possible
    Rule #3: Be aware of your surroundings
    Rule #4: Don't take unnecessary chances
    Rule #5: Run or hide if you can; shoot if you must

    There, I just summarized the video course and it didn't cost you a dime!
    Jerry

    I think that pretty much sums it up, and is just about the best advice I've seen in a long time.

    I'd however offer a bit of comment on #5... Running and hiding can be more dangerous than standing your ground. I'm unaware of the "stand your ground" laws where you live, however. In some states you're REQUIRED to run away if possible. Problem being, that can expose you to more danger than facing the threat. This is all subjective and it's best to "train" yourself in advance, thinking through the alternatives in a scenario and "practicing" in your mind what you'd do, so at least there's some sort of action plan that's been thought about.

    I've seen some online videos and they offer very little info that a reasonably smart person shouldn't already be able to think up anyway.

    Somewhere dim in my mental recesses I seem to remember this TV show that had some pretty decent tactical info, like "how to clear a room" (enter a room and sweep for baddies, pointing & aiming your pistol, all swat-ish) and such stuff.

    If you look at actual real armed encounters between the attacked vs attacker, such things just don't occur. Remember the "Armed Citizen" accounts in the NRA mags or the "It Happened To Me" in another gun mag. Actual situations occur pretty fast and are over quickly too. A prolonged "house sweep" action is something that the average private citizen would need a bunch of hands-on (real live training, not video) and just won't ever happen in a lifetime.

    As per Teach's post, if you are armed with a reliable weapon, and can draw (or retrieve) and fire it fairly quickly with reasonable accuracy, you're set to go.

    Most of the "Armed Citizen" stories are: 1- homeowner hears breaking glass or crashing, 2- homeowner takes pistol and looks in the den or rec room, 3- burglars have busted in, 4- homeowner either shoots, scares away, or holds baddies at gunpoint for the cops.

    That's pretty elemental for being at home. On the road, it's similar -- you get some jerk trying to get into your vehicle at a stop light (and is unable to do so because of course you ALWAYS ride w. your doors locked). Then you either shoot the jerk or just drive away.

    If you look at all the armed attack reports in the paper or on the news, besides the home break-in, the vast amount of these occur when you're getting into or exiting your vehicle, either at home or in a parking lot at the store. So, most essential that you be watchful at these times, because this is when you're most vulnerable.

    So exercising simple common sense and being vigilant is probably the best single act you can perform to be safe. And of course, to be reasonably competent with drawing and firing your weapon.

    Best way to spend your money is to practice with your weapon until you're comfy with it, and maybe look for a nice hands-on self defense course taught at your local gun range, a sort of "graduate level" course that goes beyond the basics that you learned for your carry permit.

    Bottom line, IF this video course is not a ripoff and teaches stuff, I'm guessing that the majority of it would be common sense behavior that you already can think of by yourself, and then it might try to teach more advanced things like "clearing a room", stuff you'll never need anyway.

    But keep us posted on what you do, okay?

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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,750 Senior Member
    First off Bro Rich, I concur with Jerry about the use of those videos.
    Would you trust your life to a brain surgeon that learned how to do brain surgery by watching some DVDs?
    samzhere wrote: »
    A prolonged "house sweep" action is something that the average private citizen would need a bunch of hands-on (real live training, not video) and just won't ever happen in a lifetime.
    Typical Sam, since it's not relevant to you and doesn't fit into your per-concieved script of how any SD situation you're going to be involved in is going to go down, it's not important for anyone. :roll:

    Got a call from a realtor, relaying a message from a neighbor, that someone was breaking in to one of the 2 empty houses on our property. Wife and I were hunting at the time, so left the woods, called 911 and headed that way. Got there, no sign of LEOs and a door kicked open on both houses. Had 2 "prolonged house sweeps" as you call them, that evening while wife stayed outside on "overwatch" with her 308. And that isn't the first time I've had to do that, on those same two houses.


    edited to change "notion" to "script"


    Edited again to add: I hope you've distributed copies of your "script" to all the "baddies" in Houston, would be a shame if you're "set upon" by one or more of them that hadn't read your script as to how, when and what they're supposed to do
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,973 Senior Member
    Meth is most definitely the drug of choice in rural America....In truth, it's about the only thing causing a problem in my part of the country...thievery from barns, machine sheds, hay barns, etc is on the upswing...mostly looking for things they can sell quickly or for scrap. Outside of population centers, home invasions are rare, but still something one must prepare for. This is one of the reasons we carry daily and have firearms close by in the house. Even the craziest of these fools know that being caught on someones property can have some seriously negative consequences.

    In the end, Jerry summed it up nicely ...you've been around long enough to know how to protect yourself without spending money unnecessarily. To what Jerry advised I will add....set your own personal boundaries...that line in the dirt that you will not let an unknown/suspicious person pass unchallenged.
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,465 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Rule #1: Have a gun
    Rule #2: Carry it as often as possible
    Rule #3: Be aware of your surroundings
    Rule #4: Don't take unnecessary chances
    Rule #5: Run or hide if you can; shoot if you must

    Jerry

    Words I live by. :up:
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,689 Senior Member
    I read this yesterday from a trainer that I have trained under at KR training near town:
    http://blog.hsoi.com/2014/06/07/your-life-is-most-precious-act-like-it/

    The breakdown is this- Tom Givens (a well known SD trainer) has been keeping stats on his students after they graduate his classes. 61 of his students have been in armed conflicts after graduation. The record stands at 61/0/2
    61 Victories
    0 Losses
    2 Forfeits
    The two forfeits were people who DIED when they were unarmed when the balloon went up. Two people who were trained, and ready defend themselves.... but decided that day that their lives were not worth the extra 10 seconds and minor discomfort it would take to bring their damn gun.

    If you are legally able to do so, you should be armed. Your life is worth it.

    As for the specific trainer/ program? Never heard of it.
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  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,827 Senior Member
    http://m.newsherald.com/news/crime-public-safety/sheriff-two-will-be-charged-in-weekend-homicide-1.308609

    Mr. Shores was a long time family friend and the nicest guy you will ever meet.

    Damn shame that this can occur in such a rural area of North FL. It serves to enforce the need to always be prepared.
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Rich, if it's either the DVDs or nothing, then the DVDs aren't going to hurt anything (other than your wallet), but they might not be a huge help either. What instructional videos generally do, instead of "teaching" you something new, they force your brain to think about the things you already do on a daily basis in a new light.

    You'd honestly be much better suited taking the money that you'd spend on the DVDs and paying tuition to a one day training class. People tend to denigrate getting training (I used to as well), but as I've told many other folks recently....my dad bought me my first rifle when I was 4 years old. I've been shooting handguns since I was 6. I've owned my own handguns since I was around 12 years old. Over the past year I've taken three training classes......I've learned more in those three classes about how to fight with a handgun (and make no mistake, a CC incident IS NOT based on shooting, it's a FIGHT that just happens to involve a firearm), than I have in 21 years of shooting on my own.

    The classes that I've taken have contained students across every spectrum. Old, young, fat, skinny, male, female, athletes, and a couple people in wheel chairs. During the discussions after class EVERY single one of us were able to list multiple things that we learned that we could see being immediately beneficial to us in our day to day activities. Everyone that carries a gun, really does need to get at least some basic training of some sort.


    Back on the topic of DVDs, several years ago Magpul Dynamics put out a series of instructional films. Their handgun series "The Art of the Dynamic Handgun" is really top notch. It doesn't deal entirely with concealed carry, but it does have a really good concealed carry section. I've watched my copy about a dozen times, enough that the info is kinda burned into my brain, it's been sitting on my bookshelf gathering dust for the last couple of years.

    PM me your mailing address and I'll ship it to you. If you find the info within to be useful, next time you come to the SE shoot bring me enough cornmeal to make some hushpuppies and bread a mess of fish and we'll call it even.
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,827 Senior Member
    Woodsrunner - check out Talon Training in Tallahassee. They provide training and they have a few free videos online.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Typical Sam, since it's not relevant to you and doesn't fit into your per-concieved script of how any SD situation you're going to be involved in is going to go down, it's not important for anyone.

    What a friggin' jerky and catty post. The scenario you describe is simply not typical for 95% of average citizens, who don't have a bunch of houses on their property, most likely ONE home they live in, which was the thrust of my post. You've apparently got an eagle eye out for my posts and are happy to jump in and slam me whenever you've got time. I've still got some catamite positions open on my staff.

    For others, note that I didn't object to his posts and maybe never have, unless they were in response to what I'd said. I don't start these things. A more polite and less smary response would have been okay.

    And by the way, you misspelled "pre-conceived". Meow and stuff it.

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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    "Smary"?
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  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,827 Senior Member
    Well, house sweeping is pretty typical when others such as children (or elderly parents) are also in the house.

    Not everyone lives in an apartment.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,750 Senior Member
    I'm not the pretentious one that said, " and just won't ever happen in a lifetime"

    AND unlike you, I don't feel the need to remind everyone of my exploits on a regular basis.

    So feel free to get off you high horse.

    Neither the world, nor this forum revolve around you, yet you do your damndest to make EVERY thread about you.

    Edited to add: and FYI, no, for the most part I skip over your long, rambling, and mostly useless posts. However, on occasion, something jumps out at me while I'm scrolling past them, like today

    Funny, how you get called on something, want to make ME look like the "baddie" so you edit a bunch of stuff out of your posts :roll:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,960 Senior Member
    This old farm contains 2 houses and 9 outbuildings; ten if you count the old defunct outhouse. Nobody in their right mind would try to hide in the outhouse; the floor and "poopin' stool" are missing, making a drop into the bottom a certainty. Never had to clear the houses yet, but have 'invited' interlopers to leave the outbuildings with great haste. Also invited hunters and others to leave the pastures, hay fields, and general property at all times of the day and night.

    Not everybody lives in town, Sam. Some of us can only stand being in town long enough to get the shopping done; twice a month or less.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    I agree with Teach. I don't know how old you are, but likely you're old enough to not do physical gymnastics that "gamers" seen to enjoy.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    LMLarsen wrote: »
    "Smary"?

    A new word, y'know.... heh

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »

    Not everybody lives in town, Sam. Some of us can only stand being in town long enough to get the shopping done; twice a month or less.

    AMEN, too,to,tu
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    AND unlike you, I don't feel the need to remind everyone of my exploits on a regular basis.

    Mmm, okay, so who was the one here who just talked about clearing two houses? I guess that's not an "exploit" but regular stuff that we all do, and therefore don't need to be reminded of it.

    As for my posts, the Mods here are welcome to tell me if I've exceeded some tenets. But I also see that you've set yourself up as an arbiter of what I post. I'm happy someone has the time and impetus to do this challenging task. And I'm certain that others here in the forum will be glad someone is doing the job that nobody else wants.

    I'm happy for the attention. And still have a couple of honorary catamite openings for those so fascinated by my posts.

    Ps. My horse died.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,750 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    But I also see that you've set yourself up as an arbiter of what I post.
    Since you apparently missed this part of that post
    knitepoet wrote: »

    Edited to add: and FYI, no, for the most part I skip over your long, rambling, and mostly useless posts. However, on occasion, something jumps out at me while I'm scrolling past them, like today
    And since I'd edited that in ~ 2 hours before your post, I'm sure you had a chance to see it.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,750 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Mmm, okay, so who was the one here who just talked about clearing two houses?
    Yep, but the important question is..... How many freakin' times have I posted about that..... oh yeah, this is the first time in the 7 months since it happened.

    And how many times have you regaled us with the same tired tales of your "steely nerves" & past "derring-do" in the same period of time ????

    As Eli said in another thread, "So many times most of the regulars have all but committed them to memory"

    thanks Gene
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    Jesus, chill out, KP. Other people have valid points other than yours. And why do you even care?

    I personally think you're somewhat akin to a fool for clearing a house instead of covering front/back and waiting for the cavalry, but hey, it's your choice, and your door, if you wish to do a Rambo. And not to mention the fact that if someone is "covering" you, it leaves at least one door open for escape.

    And I believe it's "derring-do."
    Not too many problems you can't fix
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,656 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    I've still got some catamite positions open on my staff.

    Little boys, really.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,267 Senior Member
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CatamiteWikipedia


    In its modern usage the term catamite refers to a boy as the passive, or receiving partner in anal intercourse with a man.

    Really Sam? This ain't NAMBLA
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,084 Senior Member
    He could be using "boy" in the relative sense. I mean, Sam is preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttttttty old...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,656 Senior Member
    H I mean, Sam is preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttttttty old...

    I'm thinking that explains a lot.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
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