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Time to get serious on the border!

TeachTeach Senior MemberPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
Check out this news item:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/

we need to have enough firepower facing south to hamburger these scumbags- - - - -maybe a few Cobra gunships with 20MM Gatling guns would be a good start!
Jerry
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.

    That's a fact. Some of the toughest lawmen in recent history were Border Patrol agents, but not any more. Back when they could whack and stack the bandits who came across the southern border, things were a lot safer down there. Now the good guys can't even return fire to keep from getting killed!
    Jerry
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Time to do what the Israelis do when they take fire from across the border. But by the time our guys got the okay to fire from the micro managing selfie taking # taggers in DC we'd probably lose 3 Cobras.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I think most Texans expect the Governor to deal with this.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Check out this news item:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/

    we need to have enough firepower facing south to hamburger these scumbags- - - - -maybe a few Cobra gunships with 20MM Gatling guns would be a good start!
    Jerry

    Hey, last time I suggested shooting illegal aliens I got in big trouble. You better specify that those Cobra gunships must only "hamburger" illegals 18 and over.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,833 Senior Member
    Not the immigrants, the combatants. There is a difference. Wow, just wow
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    Yea, when they got a gunboat and are firing a 50 cal Browning at our Border Patrol agents, it is past time to fire back.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I wonder where that "sniper" guy who used to hang out here might be? Sounds like he could come in handy in these kinds of situations!
    :uhm:
    Jerry
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    I wonder where that "sniper" guy who used to hang out here might be? Sounds like he could come in handy in these kinds of situations!
    :uhm:
    Jerry

    There were two of them one I wouldn't trust with a potato gun.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    That's a big 10-4!
    :yikes:
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,427 Senior Member
    This is Way Yonder past being a Texas problem or a New Mexico problem, or an Arizona problem, or a California problem. It's now an American problem, and a HUGE American problem at that. If we continue to allow this it won't be long until we'll be as bad off as Mexico. Another thing to remember. Those that try to come here within the law spend big bucks and jump through flaming hoops to get a legal visa. Then Obama and the Dummy craps open the door for our neighbors to the south and let them have a free ride. Because of course they know that most of these people, when they get citizenship will vote Dummycrap and after a while you will never see a conservative or Republican politician elected here again. We have to stop this.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,427 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I think most Texans expect the Governor to deal with this.

    Yeah and we will hope our future Governor isn't named Wendy D.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

    Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

    It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,427 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

    Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

    It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.

    I like Perry and he may surprise us all and do this, but I'm afraid too many politicians are trying to wait Obama out of office. Only problem is Perry's more lame duck than Obama. We'll see what he's really made of.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,451 Senior Member
    No one did anything when the El Paso city hall was hit by rifle fire from Mexico. Or when mortar rounds came across the border. Or when the Cartels used armed helicopter gunships to fire on a resort that had American citizens inside.

    No one will do anything this time either. Rich people want to keep the steady supply of basically slave labor tending their yards, gardens, and children.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    He's gotta get a few political licks in first- - - - -like "refusing" to meet Curious George at the airport last week before changing his mind about it to score a few points with his conservative donors. Political theater, no matter which side does it!
    Jerry
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.

    He is and it's going to cost the good citizens of Texas 12 mil a month. Thanks Texas. I wonder if they will give them bullets?
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.

    Exactly. Too many votes slipping through to dare stop it.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The National Guard neds to establish a 5 mile wide no man's land SOUTH of the Rio Grande, with every tree, shrub and building bulldozed flat, and overlapping fields of fire for M2's on the North bank- - - - - -sort of like the DMZ betweeen the Koreas.
    Jerry
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    I would get smart with this....It would be expensive. But, isn't Lockheed still in Dallas? contract them to make some Drones with Small arms. To pay for this, simply tack two cents onto the state tax for Gas. there are low impact ways to recoup this money in taxes to make this happen. It sucks. but if you want to get serious, you have to stop looking at cost. In the end run, Bill the federal government...
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,427 Senior Member
    I would get smart with this....It would be expensive. But, isn't Lockheed still in Dallas? contract them to make some Drones with Small arms. To pay for this, simply tack two cents onto the state tax for Gas. there are low impact ways to recoup this money in taxes to make this happen. It sucks. but if you want to get serious, you have to stop looking at cost. In the end run, Bill the federal government...

    As much as Texans are pissed off about taxes, if not one penny went to the fed, and it all went to support beefing up border security, I believe this would fly.

    Of course the border needs beefing up because the fed refuses to do anything. So in effect, anything spent on border security would be to replace what the fed didn't fund.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    Well think about it Snake...Say your truck takes 20 gallons to fill up. 20x.02 =.4

    You would only notice a half dollar increase when you filled up. You could really tack on a whole nickel and it wouldn't have a huge impact on the consumer/citizen. Considering all the foklks that get gas in the course of a week, you would have this paid for very quickly.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    I mentioned the 49th AD, But in truth they reflagged to some other unit...136th? At any rate, they had/have the equipment to engage and defeat Gunships.

    you put a Bradly..or even and old 113 on a hill and you now own everything with the sight of that vehicle. Even if they only have up-armored Humvees now. Supporting Fires can work just as well.

    I'm not for shooting unarmed folks swimming to a better life. But, you put a stich in the water before they enter and bet they will rethink their options.


    The biggest thing is if Perry has the stones to give a good set of ROE. The National Guard units that did multple trips to the desert made over like fat rats in terms of training they received and access to funds that allowed them to fatten their equipment lists. Believe it or not, some those govenors were doing their level best to get their units into the fight so they could take adavantage of the money.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The National Guard neds to establish a 5 mile wide no man's land SOUTH of the Rio Grande, with every tree, shrub and building bulldozed flat, and overlapping fields of fire for M2's on the North bank- - - - - -sort of like the DMZ betweeen the Koreas.
    Jerry

    It will never happen but this is the best idea I've ever heard for fixing this problem. Seriously.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

    Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

    It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.

    Not to split hairs but it was 1957. There's a whole museum about it at Little Rock's Central High School. It was a DemocRat governor "standing in the schoolhouse door" btw. My older brother graduated from there. The governor's name was Faubus and he was up for reelection. Schools elsewhere around the state integrated with no drama. Oh, and Ike sent in the regular Army. Also, I don't know if it's true or not but the rumor is our section of I40 was the last finished to punish us for '57.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.

    Posse Comitatus NG can't enforce laws....can't be armed for domestic law enforcement purposes....can't fire back....no Viagra either.
  • NRANRA Member Posts: 112 Member
    Someone hire me to protect the border, and give me full permission to solve the problems, my way. Give this job to any true American and just get out of the way. For goodness sakes.

    I live in Nebraska, and they are transporting the (can't use the Rogers term for it here because of moderators) all the way up here. I don't want the little (again deleted) around me.

    As a nation, we need to wake up.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Not to split hairs but it was 1957. There's a whole museum about it at Little Rock's Central High School. It was a DemocRat governor "standing in the schoolhouse door" btw. My older brother graduated from there. The governor's name was Faubus and he was up for reelection. Schools elsewhere around the state integrated with no drama. Oh, and Ike sent in the regular Army. Also, I don't know if it's true or not but the rumor is our section of I40 was the last finished to punish us for '57.

    OK, I was going from memory, and I don't remember much from 1957, but I do remember seeing old film of the National Guard pulling out when the 101 Airborne rolled in.
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    OK, I was going from memory, and I don't remember much from 1957, but I do remember seeing old film of the National Guard pulling out when the 101 Airborne rolled in.

    Oh sure and I wasn't picking on you. We've got enough nitpickers here without adding my name to the list.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
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