Amax vs ????

RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior MemberPosts: 4,646 Senior Member
Can't find any. I'm on the Brownell's "notify me" list everywhere else I've looked says out of stock, no back order. So I'm wondering if there is an alternative that opens as explosively at similar velocities? This is in .284 btw. Specifically 7mm 08 and 7x57. Maybe Game Kings?
If someone Knows of a source I sure would appreciate hearing about it.
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,772 Senior Member
    didn't show out of stock and never dealt with them

    http://www.lohmanarms.com/product_p/hrn28402.htm
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Hornady 139 grain SST. Inexpensive and effectiv

    Midway has them. I have some other stuff I want so I'll make my list and order it all at once and save on shipping. Thanks
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    Can't find any. I'm on the Brownell's "notify me" list everywhere else I've looked says out of stock, no back order. So I'm wondering if there is an alternative that opens as explosively at similar velocities? This is in .284 btw. Specifically 7mm 08 and 7x57. Maybe Game Kings?
    If someone Knows of a source I sure would appreciate hearing about it.

    Have you ever tried Sierra Game Kings? They expand well over a wide velocity range. But even though they expand well, they don't blow up. I've had more success with them than any other bullet including the Nosler Ballistics's Tip.

    edited: Now I see that you mentioned SGKs in your original post. Try 'em. You might like 'em.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    didn't show out of stock and never dealt with them

    http://www.lohmanarms.com/product_p/hrn28402.htm

    The reviews on them are mixed. I'll check them out more tomorrow. Thanks
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,869 Senior Member
    IIRC, the 162 Amax was on the suspended list.
    Not sure they've removed/restarted them
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    IIRC, the 162 Amax was on the suspended list.
    Not sure they've removed/restarted them

    It looks to me like they're only making amaxes period for the AR crowdA
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    Another nudge toward the Hornady SST. Not as violent as a Nosler Ballistic Tip, but much more so than a Partition.

    Mike
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    I like the Hornady 139 grain SST. Very good accuracy, and kills deer dead.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,869 Senior Member
    Just looked @ Hornady's site
    http://www.hornady.com/store/.284-7mm/?page=2
    The 162 A-Max no longer says, "Temporarily Suspended" under them like some of the other bullets, so APPARENTLY they're back in production.
    I suspect the lack of supply is partly due to folks replenishing their stock and partly due to folks stocking up in case Hornady decides to suspend them again.


    edited to add: Concerning a good 7x57 bullet, I am partial to the 140 Rem Core Lokt
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Ju


    edited to add: Concerning a good 7x57 bullet, I am partial to the 140 Rem Core Lokt

    I am partial to Core Locts as well. Never lost a deer to one. On the other hand I've never lost a deer to any high powered rifle bullet. I've got 2 boxes of Remington ammo for the 7x57. I've always been pleased with the autopsy using Core Locts regardless of cartridge. Elk too for that matter. I'll explain more in my reply to Linefinder
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    Another nudge toward the Hornady SST. Not as violent as a Nosler Ballistic Tip, but much more so than a Partition.

    Mike

    Well that may have to do and I like the lighter weight for my wife's 7mm 08. When she first expressed an interest in hunting I let her use my '06. She never complained but I could tell it was hammering her pretty good. But since she hung in there I bought her the 08. So I thought I would down load it just a tad. But what I was looking for was the grenade effect I've read about and seen in Zee's autopsy pics. I'll try the 162 grainers in my rifle.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,640 Senior Member
    Well that may have to do and I like the lighter weight for my wife's 7mm 08. When she first expressed an interest in hunting I let her use my '06. She never complained but I could tell it was hammering her pretty good. But since she hung in there I bought her the 08. So I thought I would down load it just a tad. But what I was looking for was the grenade effect I've read about and seen in Zee's autopsy pics. I'll try the 162 grainers in my rifle.

    I've not tried the 139gr SST. But, CPJ used them to good effect. I've run the 162gr A-Max/SST at muzzle velocities from around 2,300-3,400 fps and have had stellar terminal/impact performance over the broad spectrum. You will do well, I believe, with either the A-Max or SST in the 162gr weight out of your 7x57 Mauser.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I've not tried the 139gr SST. But, CPJ used them to good effect. I've run the 162gr A-Max/SST at muzzle velocities from around 2,300-3,400 fps and have had stellar terminal/impact performance over the broad spectrum. You will do well, I believe, with either the A-Max or SST in the 162gr weight out of your 7x57 Mauser.

    Thanks buddy. I'm worn out but I will be again tomorrow so I'll try to order some tonight. I'll be loading for the low end of the velocities you mentioned. Perhaps a bit more, this rifle appears to have a throat that goes on for days. But I haven't measured it. So I can't claim that from direct knowledge. But I keep reading how No. 1s are known for this.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Snake, Your PMs are full
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    Try it again Razor, I just saw that and cleaned it out.
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  • wildgenewildgene Senior Member Posts: 1,036 Senior Member
    Can't find any. I'm on the Brownell's "notify me" list everywhere else I've looked says out of stock, no back order. So I'm wondering if there is an alternative that opens as explosively at similar velocities? This is in .284 btw. Specifically 7mm 08 and 7x57. Maybe Game Kings?
    If someone Knows of a source I sure would appreciate hearing about it.

    ...if I was looking for a "hunting" bullet for a mid-sized .284 case, these would catch my attention...

    https://www.sierrabullets.com/store/product.cfm/sn/1912/284-dia-7mm-140-gr-HPBT

    ...I've used the Sierra HPBT GameKing 120gr. .25 cal. on deer & antelope, the 160gr. 7mm & 165gr. .30 cal. on mule deer & elk. Not the "highest BC", but one of the consistently more accurate bullets I've used in a number of different rifles & calibers, and it does what it's supposed to do. It expands rapidly, creating a huge amount of hydrostatic shock w/o fragmenting, then penetrates thru the animal...

    ...120gr. .25 entry/ exit antelope...

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    ...my very limited experience w/ the 140gr. 6.5mm A-Max surprised me, been a long time since I've had to shoot a deer twice. First shot was walking broadside @120yds, she managed to take off, jump a fence, stopped @ 200yds. w/ her head down. Second shot was 1 1/2" from the first, exit wounds were split to 5 1/2" & looked "keyholed" w/ little evidence of expansion. Bullet placement was almost identical to the antelope above, he took one step, then plowed nose-first into the dirt...

    ...this one went down so hard to a 165gr. from a .300WSM he skidded a hundred yds. down the hill...

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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    But what I was looking for was the grenade effect I've read about and seen in Zee's autopsy pics.

    Well, if that's the case, forget the SST's and go with the Nosler Ballistic Tip. In the early days of this bullet, crazy violent expansion with little penetration was often reported, but.....Nosler thickened up the jacket some on the "hunting" weight bullets in the late 90's, and while they still expand like mad, they don't often fragment into oblivion.

    I've shot a lot of deer in north La, (same deer that you're shooting, IOW) and the NBT was (and still is unless elk is an option) my deer bullet of choice.

    Mike
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    Well, if that's the case, forget the SST's and go with the Nosler Ballistic Tip. In the early days of this bullet, crazy violent expansion with little penetration was often reported, but.....Nosler thickened up the jacket some on the "hunting" weight bullets in the late 90's, and while they still expand like mad, they don't often fragment into oblivion.

    I've shot a lot of deer in north La, (same deer that you're shooting, IOW) and the NBT was (and still is unless elk is an option) my deer bullet of choice.

    Mike

    Yep, same deer. But you're a day late and a dollar short. I went a little nuts on midway last night and besides the SSTs I bought all kinds of stuff. But really. I've been hunting deer for about 4o years now and Partitions, Winchester Silver tips, and some others have always worked well. One ounce slugs for that matter. The lungs were always a soupy mess and the bullet was a clean pass through. And I am a fan of 2 holes. I'm not really sure why though. I've sat here trying to think of all the deer I've killed with a center fire rifle and I can't recall ever having to track one. Except a Mule deer once and I gathered him in, in short order. I can recall a few that I wondered briefly how good the hit was but when I got there, they were laying right there. Over time of course you learn to recognize a good hit and almost exactly where sometimes, based on how they react to the shot. But for the most part they've been DRT. Heck I've seen most of my bow kills fall.

    But what I was thinking was if my wife finally gets a shot and I'm not there I would like to just avoid the whole conversation about how where was he when you shot and where was the lasy place you saw him. If you know what I mean.

    Anyway, I'm sure it will work out fine with just about any of today's modern bullets. But I do appreciate all the comments.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    I've killed a ton of deer with 130 grain NBT's, and IIRC, three with the 130 grain SST's. The SST's were factory loaded Hornady Light Magnums in .270 Win.

    The only specific result I recall with the SST was a fairly large (by south Texas standards) doe standing broadside at 110 yards. .277 going in the ribcage and a little bit larger than a quarter coming out the other side. Deer went down like it had been pole-axed. I remember thinking at the time that had I made the same shot with my usual NBT, the same thing would have happened, except the exit would have been a couple inches in diameter.

    I shot a couple more with the SST's, but don't recall the exact results as well as that one, except they were DRT. After my admittedly limited experience with SST's, I've always held the opinion that they were a bit "harder" than NBT's. While I lean toward NBT's, I'd never feel shortchanged with an SST in the tube, and in fact, under certain conditions, I'd prefer them.

    Mike
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    KSU Firefighter
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,640 Senior Member
    I have seen some rather dramatic exit wounds from the 150gr Ballistic Tip .308 Win ammo I run. In some cases, fist size. Albeit, a Carny fist, but still. Also some nice ones from 140gr Ballistic Tips out of a 7 Mag.

    I've run the SST out of my .25-06 Remington in the 117gr flavor with good accuracy and terminal performance. Likewise with the 125gr SST out of my .308 Winchester.

    Just don't like that stupid cannelure on them!

    But, y'all keep using the BT, SST, Sierra Game Kings, and what have you. Leave the A-Max bullets for me! I want them all!!!
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