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BAMAAK wrote: »
So if you are one private property, with or without a gun, and are told to leave by the owner and refuse, what will the cops charge you with (outside of any other stupid thing you may do like resisting)?
(b) Defiant trespasser.--
(1) A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is
not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in
any place as to which notice against trespass is given by:
(i) actual communication to the actor;
(ii) posting in a manner prescribed by law or
reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders;
(iii) fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed
to exclude intruders;
(iv) notices posted in a manner prescribed by law or
reasonably likely to come to the person's attention at
each entrance of school grounds that visitors are
prohibited without authorization from a designated
school, center or program official; or
(v) an actual communication to the actor to leave
school grounds as communicated by a school, center or
program official, employee or agent or a law enforcement
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (1)(v), an offense
under this subsection constitutes a misdemeanor of the third
degree if the offender defies an order to leave personally
communicated to him by the owner of the premises or other
authorized person. An offense under paragraph (1)(v)
constitutes a misdemeanor of the first degree. Otherwise it
is a summary offense.
Ricky75 wrote: »
NO FIREARMS ALLOWED signs are popping up all over the place here in OK! A lot of the restaurants I go to have those signs on the door. Here’s what I do. I ask for the manager and when he comes over and I tell him “Because of his NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign I can’t come in here again!”. They all say the same thing. “It’s OK for you to come in. No one knows you carrying a gun because it’s concealed.” I tell them “No, the sign reads NO FIREARMS ALLOWED” and that what it means. I then ask them if I got them a “NO OPEN CARRY” sign would they take down the NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign and put up the NO OPEN CARRY sign on the door. They always agree. When I finish eating I go out to my car and get my scraper and a NO OPEN CARRY sign that I purchased from “MYSAFETYSIGN (Google it. $2.00 for a 3X5 vinyl sticky if you buy 20) and replace there sign.!!
For those people that are hard to convince I use this. On page 64 of the February 2013 issue of America’s First Freedom (NRA) there is an article titled “Guns, Mental Illness and Newtown” by Dave Kopel. (You can Google “Dave Kopel and look for Guns, Mental Illness and Newtown” by Dave Kopel you can copy it from his web site.) I had copies made. The last two paragraphs explain that a Gun Free Zone with out metal detectors and armed security personal is nothing but a pretend Gun Free Zone. These pretend Gun Free Zones are magnets for evildoers who know they will be able to murder at will. So far I’ve had no refusal to changing the signs.
It’s worth the two bucks just to know I’ve screwed the anti gun people out of another one of there efforts to ban guns. I hope you’ll do the same
bisley wrote: »
In Texas, a sign means nothing unless it conforms to Section 30.06 of the state code. An owner of private property may ask you to leave for any reason.
Other than a few places where the law already prohibits carrying, the only places I've ever seen correct '30.06' signs are at gun shows.
tennmike wrote: »
There were similar signs in lots of places at the nuke plants I worked at over the years. They were there for good reason. And a few were "No Lone Zones" that required entry in pairs.
The "Restricted Access" places were usually due to either non-livable atmosphere, or were also marked "High Radiation Area". Neither place was a good area to hang out for a quick nap!
rootbrain wrote: »
Section 30 aught 6. Only in Texas.
Teach wrote: »
Okies can read?
snake284 wrote: »
For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
Merlin wrote: »
I assist in Carry classes in OK. and NO manager has either the authority, nor the right, to approve the removal/replacement of any gun signs posted. The OWNER has to grant that approval. In addition, if it's a large chain establishment, it would have to be addressed at the corporate level.
Gene L wrote: »
Criminal trespass where I come from, although it almost never happens. If the cop invites you to leave, and you refuse, it's a misdemeanor. (A misdemeanor must happen in the presence of a police officer for an officer to make an arrest. Only a drunk would not leave after being asked by a LEO and the management.
A sign alone won't get a charge. An officer can't know if the trespasser read the sign, or even if he can read, for that matter. Got to be served notice of trespass and then do it again for a charge to be made.
41magnut wrote: »
I am glad you brought this fact up.
Any other form of "no gun" sign is legally ignored.
A non-gun owner, Non CHL lawyer acquaintance called me out about this. A short call to Texas AG's office won yours truly an adult beverage of my choice.
DoctorWho wrote: »
CHL carry ?
Sam carrying a CHL is not prohibited anywhere.
Sorry Sam, resistance was futile !
DoctorWho wrote: »
No, yours is the superior intellect, ( Star Trek - wrath of Khan ) it was all in good clean fun, all puns intended, void where prohibited, cash value 1/10 of a cent.
Gene L wrote: »
A new copper penny looks red. I think that's where it came from.
samzhere wrote: »
Nope. There were once "mills" that were 1/10 cent red plastic "coins" used for collecting sales tax when the tax was measured in 0.1 cent increments.
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