Red Team/Blue Team nonsense

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,487 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    I prefer the Jabberwocky original, Slimy Toves.

    Nope:
    "Jabberwocky"

    'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.

    "Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!"

    He took his vorpal sword in hand:
    Long time the manxome foe he sought—
    So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
    And stood awhile in thought.

    And as in uffish thought he stood,
    The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
    Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
    And burbled as it came!

    One, two! One, two! and through and through
    The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
    He left it dead, and with its head
    He went galumphing back.

    "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
    He chortled in his joy.

    'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.
    I had to memorize the damn thing back in grade school. This is the very first time this memorization has been of any use whatsoever!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Me. I used to be a hold my nose and pull the lever guy, it's got to be a straight R ticket. I argued with Cali many times over this. I bought into all the "world will end if you don't vote R " bull squeeze. Guess what? It's ending anyway, just a little slower when the re-pubes are at the helm. Not happening again.
    I remember those days. I was flamed over and over for being so anti Bush, and no longer willing to vote for another sellout repub. My favorite was being called a Liberal for calling Bush out on his Liberalness, and big gov. politics. It really highlighted for me how most people do not actually pay attention to what a politician does, but rather what they say, and what letter they claim to represent. I honestly feel if Obama ran on a Republican platform, was in the Republican party, said all the right buzz words, and governed just as he has, most Republicans would hold their noses and vote for him, strictly because of a letter.

    I will reiterate the point I made back then. If a democrat had put forth the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, prescription drug benefits, or the War in Iraq, these policies would have received no support here on this board. Yet when they were passed, or enacted, during the previous Admin, they received plenty of support on these boards. All that matters is the letter. R vs D.
    It's because I hate Trump.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,016 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    And ****, that's the way it should be. MYOB, and let others mind theirs! Good on you!

    Yep, I don't care how bad their particular life style grosses you out, You gotta leave it to them and like you say, MYOB. You don't have to like it, only leave it be.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,016 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Funny, even though not quite true...


    If the voting public ever came to realize that voting Libertarian meant voting for ideas and principles rather than voting for/against a party, we'd be a lot better off. Unfortunately, we are idiots. We tend to think all-or-nothing/black-or-white/tastes great-less filling. Most folks don't realize that you don't have to force the other guy to think just like you. They don't realize they can have the cake and eat it too.

    Yes but what some of y'all are failing to realize is when i vote Republican in the General Election, I'm voting for things I believe in. I am placing a vote for the Party Platform. That's all you can do in reality. Anytime you put your faith solely in a man you are asking to be disappointed. Any man you vote for can vote his own mind in Congress. Once you put him in office he can and sometimes does what he wants, unless he's tied to a party platform. Then he pretty well needs to stay with that platform if he ever wants to get elected again. But an independent or third party candidate has no such ties or loyalty to anything but what he wants to do.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    That's a scary thought, but I believe it's spot on. Ok,that IS spot on.
    Well, I don't enjoy being right on this. Sadly Republicans have devolved into an invertebrate species.
    It's because I hate Trump.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,271 Senior Member
    Well, I don't enjoy being right on this. Sadly Republicans have devolved into an invertebrate species.
    You mean like Democraps?
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,331 Senior Member
    Lance wrote: »
    Vote 3rd party.

    What makes you think that your 3rd party candidate is any less of a bottom feeder than the ones with an (R) or a (D) after their name? We have an Independent running that is likely to win a Senate Seat and he is a Liberal Democrat in 3rd Party clothing....

    I was going to dress up as a politician for Halloween this year, but I couldn't fit my head up my ass....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Ah, you're right. Slithy. Keen. Long time since I read Jabberwocky.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Well, I don't enjoy being right on this. Sadly Republicans have devolved into an invertebrate species.

    Well, some Republicans have always been that way. Being a Rep, Demo, Lib, or whatever doesn't ensure either evil nor goodness. It's all just people, regardless.

    I know that there are some folks here who regard all Democrats and Republicans as equally bad. That's simply not true, even if it helps an individual fantasy life to think so. Believing this confirms a general sense of vulnerability and suspicion, and any reality that intrudes upon this chips away at the mental construct.

    Those of us who've actually worked within a party, either on campaign staff or other avenues, know that there is a broad range of political belief in both major parties, with of course the Demos being generally more liberal than the Republicans. And there are crooks, thugs (and nice people) on both sides, too.

    Voting Republican isn't a slavish act nor does it involve selling a soul. It simply is an act that shows that the voter, with some thought hopefully, has decided on the lesser of two evils at the worst, or at the best, has really decided that one particular candidate is worthy of support, no more, no less.

    I of course don't think that voting Republican this election will solve many serious problems nor have I done so out of religiously-flavored fervor. I simply want to prevent Obama from causing more harm, and giving us a Republican controlled Senate is one step that will help.

    In other words, welcome to the real world. Which I suppose disturbs some here, our fantasy-dwelling sidebar pals especially.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,503 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Problem is, republicans will NEVER go for that type of candidate. Never. It's got to be the plain vanilla Don't make any waves guy for them.
    Like plain vanilla Ron Paul? He was a Republican congressman for how many years? Get 50 or 100 more original thinkers like him in national offices. No, wait, can't do that because those people won't ever get elected because they are in a party that guarantees that they won't win. They are stuck on the sidelines pissing and moaning-- accomplishing absolutely nothing waiting for the 3rd party bus that will never come.

    Throughout our entire history as a country, we have had a two party system. The party names have changed over the years, but it has always boiled down to two parties. It will continue to remain that way until we sit down and rewrite a new constitution-- it is essentially built into the one we have now. To accomplish anything politically, you have to belong to one of the two parties in power.

    If the Socialists did what you guys were doing, they wouldn't ever accomplish anything either. Folks running as Socialist Party candidates won't get elected dog catcher. What did they do? They put on their blue hats and called themselves Democrats. If it works for them, it can work for you!

    And besides, once they put on their red hats, Snake already said he would vote for them, no matter who they are!

    Lame ass excuse. You and Cali both used it.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,470 Senior Member
    I'll vote for the redhats, always have. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is onanistic, it's like shouting down a well. No one will be impressed but you, yourself. It won't even make that much noise.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I'll vote for the redhats, always have. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is onanistic, it's like shouting down a well. No one will be impressed but you, yourself. It won't even make that much noise.
    Oh goody analogies and psycho babble. I want to play too. Voting republican is masochistic, its like eating a pile of you own excrement, and telling yourself it is strawberry pie.
    It's because I hate Trump.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,016 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Do you really believe what you just wrote?

    Of course I do, at any rate at least I'll come closer to getting the representation I want than you will, because when you vote for Mr. Dark Horse, all you're going to end up with is Dummycraps representing you.

    The party does hold their nominee's feet to the fire somewhat. And if you have a Republican controlled senate you can block a libera supreme court justice nominee. Like has been said, if you want to protest, do it in the Primaries. Don't do it in the General Election and let the Dummycraps have their way. We have too much at stake.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,487 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Ah, you're right. Slithy. Keen. Long time since I read Jabberwocky.
    Yea, well Jabberwocky makes more sense than a lot of the BS our politicians generate!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,470 Senior Member
    Oh goody analogies and psycho babble. I want to play too. Voting republican is masochistic, its like eating a pile of you own excrement, and telling yourself it is strawberry pie.

    As opposed to eating some other excrement. Eat the pie fed to you by the Left, sucker. Divide and conquer. Look out for the chocolate chips.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I'll vote for the redhats, always have. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is onanistic, it's like shouting down a well. No one will be impressed but you, yourself. It won't even make that much noise.

    "Onanistic"? Wow! That's a good one! And described it perfectly.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,503 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Republicans can't compete with that. The ONLY way they will ever win is to move the swing voters to their side. And people like Mcfail and Romney and the fat bastard from Jersey AINT gonna do that.
    So you are talking president? I am talking dog catcher, Congress, state legislatures, and everything else.

    We aren't electing a president today!

    Once you get enough dog catchers in the system, the political leanings of the party are going to shift-- plain and simple. That will eventually affect whom the party throws out there to run for president. Libertarians need to infiltrate and take over the Republican party (as opposed to standing on the sidelines) in order to accomplish anything politically.
    cpj wrote:
    Even if the Ron Paul's of the country WANTED in, :dirtywordstheautocensordoesntlike: like McCain and his ilk will prevent that.
    Like Rand Paul? McCain called him a "wacko bird". I am sure that completely discouraged Rand's presidential aspirations.

    Maybe next time McCain will get really pissed and call him a "dirty hippie" or something.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,503 Senior Member
    Imagine this:

    A football game. There is a blue team and a red team. They are on the field with their tight pants, sweating... pounding and tackling each other... having pile-ons. In other words, having a gay old time! On the sidelines is a green team. They are pissed off because nobody will let them on the field to play-- something about the concept that football is played with two opposing teams (not three) that they do not understand.

    Two, and only two teams can play the game. Their options are to either pick a red or blue helmet and join one of the teams, or become one of the two teams on the field. Let us say that they did the later and it is now the green team and the blue team on the field. The people on the red team aren't going to sit on the sidelines! They are either going to join the green or blue team and get playing again.

    There will never be three football teams on the field playing the game. The same goes with a third party in politics. It will never happen. If you want to play in the game, you have to be on a team that is actually on the field.
  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,272 Senior Member
    States that allow registered democrats to vote in Republican primary elections is the main reason
    these old RINO cowards get nominated. Hopefully, over time Republicans must infuse the party
    with less cowardly conservative young blood. Otherwise the progressive will continue to prevail.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,947 Senior Member
    104RFAST wrote: »
    States that allow registered democrats to vote in Republican primary elections is the main reason
    these old RINO cowards get nominated. Hopefully, over time Republicans must infuse the party
    with less cowardly conservative young blood.
    Otherwise the progressive will continue to prevail.

    That is what needs to happen. I never watched polital stuff on TV, just read the standings of each person involved and voted on their record. Lately I have watched more and the majority of those sitting in the so important seats are OLD.

    Looking at them they are as old as me and some close to my fathers age and his is long retired.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Today is your chance to exercise you right to vote or not to.

    God Bless America :angel2: :angel2: :usa: :usa:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,487 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Makes no difference the position/office, it's simply not going to happen. Republicans WON'T go outside the norm.

    Mcfail calling Rand names ain't the point and you know it. It's people like him keeping Rand OUT of the running.
    Pretty much. Its the same old story, there are a couple or three candidates that are at least vote-worthy and the Republicans run them out - EVERY time. Whether its their refusal to speak at BJU, or otherwise, they've usually been forced out by the time we (Californians) vote due to our stupid primary situation: ALL PRIMARIES SHOULD BE HELD ON THE SAME DAY NATIONWIDE!!

    As for Libertarians "infiltrating" the Republican party: A huge majority of us LEFT the Rs because of their big-government, Democrat-lite, anti-personal freedom, tax and spend mentality. Look no further than GWB. Not to forget, of course, all the Bible thumping. They're all a bunch of Liberals, BOTH parties! With that said, Ls generally vote R. But the Rs are rapidly becoming irrelevant, and its their own doing.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,906 Senior Member
    So here is one way to support 3rd parties while only partially "throwing your vote away". In the vast majority of our cases our vote means absolutely nothing. We live in gerrymandered districts where one party or the other is basically guaranteed to win or we live in states that are firmly red or blue. If you fit into any of those situation, when the outcome of a specific race is all but certain, vote for the 3rd party candidate. In my case I voted to re-elect my democratic senator (who gets and A from the NRA btw), but voted for the libertarian candidate for congress since my district is dark blue and my vote doesn't really matter anyway. While voting this way may not lead to more 3rd party candidates getting elected, it does send a message to the established parties that we're not happy with them.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,292 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Today is your chance to exercise you right to vote or not to.

    God Bless America :angel2: :angel2: :usa: :usa:

    I voted for the three smallest turds in the punch bowl this morning. The Constitutional Amendments to the TN State Constitution that were up for vote were more important to me than two of the three running for office. It would be nice JUST ONCE to be able to be proud I voted for someone in an election. A so called 'R' U.S. Senate incumbent(Lamar Alexander) that is closer to blue than purple and far from red, a philandering doctor with a whole closet full of skeletons as the incumbent 'R' for Congress, and one state representative that really isn't all that bad. The U.S. Representative and Senator were BAD, but their opponents were bad enough to gag a buzzard off a gut wagon.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,503 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Makes no difference the position/office, it's simply not going to happen. Republicans WON'T go outside the norm.

    Mcfail calling Rand names ain't the point and you know it. It's people like him keeping Rand OUT of the running.
    They tried to keep both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz from getting nominated at the primaries for senator-- that is why it is so important to actually be in a party and participate in those primaries. Don't let those idiots decide who to put on the ballot. Notice that McCain isn't running around like crazy giving endorsements and campaigning for Republicans trying to get elected-- everyone is begging for an appearance or endorsement from the two new rock star senators-- Cruz and Paul.

    The times are changing. Help make it happen.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    There are plenty of older but very sharp and effective legislators out there, but your point is well taken.

    I get pretty frustrated by "comfy" Republicans and how they just sit there and vote the safest and least pushy party line.

    And sorry, folks, but voting 3rd party or not voting at all does ZERO to change this. If I'm wrong, please show me how not voting or writing in "M. Mouse" or voting Libertarian has effected a real change. It makes no change at all and 3rd party votes (or not voting) is simply ignored by the party leaderships.

    I continue to stress that the ONLY way to effect a change is to work within the party and to change it via the primaries.

    As I said, welcome to the real world.

    But yeah, Diver, we've got plenty of ancient hangers-on and they have to be "retired" and changed out.

    And 104 said it perfectly: Infuse the party with with less cowardly conservative young blood.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,016 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Like plain vanilla Ron Paul? He was a Republican congressman for how many years? Get 50 or 100 more original thinkers like him in national offices. No, wait, can't do that because those people won't ever get elected because they are in a party that guarantees that they won't win. They are stuck on the sidelines pissing and moaning-- accomplishing absolutely nothing waiting for the 3rd party bus that will never come.

    Throughout our entire history as a country, we have had a two party system. The party names have changed over the years, but it has always boiled down to two parties. It will continue to remain that way until we sit down and rewrite a new constitution-- it is essentially built into the one we have now. To accomplish anything politically, you have to belong to one of the two parties in power.

    If the Socialists did what you guys were doing, they wouldn't ever accomplish anything either. Folks running as Socialist Party candidates won't get elected dog catcher. What did they do? They put on their blue hats and called themselves Democrats. If it works for them, it can work for you!

    And besides, once they put on their red hats, Snake already said he would vote for them, no matter who they are!

    Lame ass excuse. You and Cali both used it.

    Not because I'm particularly in love with them, but for the same reasons you stated. There's only going to be two teams on the field and I sure don't want to be on that blue hat team. Let's put it this way, maybe a RINO is not the best choice (Yeah quite an understatement) but it's a hell of a lot better choice than the commy one where our guns are out the window and we have to Jenuflect to some jerk like Obama and watch the rest of our rights go out the window.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    They tried to keep both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz from getting nominated at the primaries for senator

    The times are changing. Help make it happen.

    Those of us in Texas who pay attention to the election can attest to what Jerm said... the establishment tried to shut down Cruz and they screeched that if he was nominated (being an actual teaparty guy) then he'd have zero chance of being elected and would therefore ensure a Democrat in the senate.

    In fact, Cruz won by a landslide!

    Ya gotta push 'em from within, folks.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,016 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Those of us in Texas who pay attention to the election can attest to what Jerm said... the establishment tried to shut down Cruz and they screeched that if he was nominated (being an actual teaparty guy) then he'd have zero chance of being elected and would therefore ensure a Democrat in the senate.

    In fact, Cruz won by a landslide!

    Ya gotta push 'em from within, folks.

    But Sam, Cruz won the nomination of the Republican party in Texas and as You and I already know in Texas the Main Stream Republican is more akin to a teaparty type. We're true conservatives here. In any other state Cruz might never have gotten the nomination and he may have ended up a Dark Horse Charly running as a hopelss third party guy. Here, we take a good guy like Cruz and put him where he needs to be, in the Saddle.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,774 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    They tried to keep both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz from getting nominated at the primaries for senator-- that is why it is so important to actually be in a party and participate in those primaries. Don't let those idiots decide who to put on the ballot. Notice that McCain isn't running around like crazy giving endorsements and campaigning for Republicans trying to get elected-- everyone is begging for an appearance or endorsement from the two new rock star senators-- Cruz and Paul.

    The times are changing. Help make it happen.

    :that:

    It took many years, billions of dollars, and a 'down-for-the-struggle' socialist media to dilute the conservative message and make the conservative label a dirty name. It will take a few primaries to get good Republicans elected. It may take centuries to get a Libertarian elected.
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