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New video of actual police shooting

samzheresamzhere BannedPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
Here's the video and story of the Houston suburb, Hedwig Village, (a residential "bedroom community" suburb) shooting.

It shows the guy after a police chase. He first raises his hands as if surrendering, then draws a small pistol from his waist and fires. You can clearly see at least 2 muzzle flashes.

And you can see the small reddish spots appear on his white shirt where the cop shot him several times. He did not survive the shooting. The first spot is on the man's right side, abdomen. The next hit seems to be on the man's left side and higher.

The cop was uninjured.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Shooting-video-released-5967214.php

Recommendation: Do not try to shoot it out with Houston cops. Or Texas cops in general. Your odds are slim to none.

Comments on this story?

Here's what I thought, and it's a first reflection and without a lot of consideration, but maybe, just maybe, it would be a GOOD idea for cops to wear personal cameras and for there to be even more dashcams installed.

Nobody wants to be under constant scrutiny and I totally understand that. But you can see this video instantly stops the clamor about evil nasty white cops killing gentle and peaceful people who are surrendering and all that racist junk.

Mebbe we could get AlSharpton's views? But on 2nd thought, Sharpton would probably claim that the guy WANTED to surrender but his fingers stuck in the triggerguard of the pistol. And all the guy was trying to do was to unload it so he could safely give it to the cop, but instead the nasty white evil cop shot this poor innocent dude who clearly had his hands up for at least 1 or 2 seconds.

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  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    When you shoot at Police officers, you are cancelling your own ticket. :win: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,080 Senior Member
    4-5 hits on a moving target while under fire? That's some good shooting.

    Sorry that officer had to go through that, but the dirtbag forced him to do it
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Texas cops, like most cops in other western or southern states, practice a lot.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,393 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Recommendation: Do not try to shoot it out with Houston cops. Or Texas cops in general. Your odds are slim to none.

    And then there is the teensy little problem of calling in every bit of law enforcement IN. . .THE. . .WORLD on yourself if you manage to prevail. Attempted or successful, guys who try to kill cops don't get a lot of leeway - not from cops or juries. It's one of the higher examples of playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.

    The body camera issue. . .very much a double-edged sword. Yes there's the whole "transparency of law enforcement" angle. Yes, there's the ability to show that the perpetrator WAS in fact a Pure-D dirtbag. . .

    But then there's the reality that whatever gets recorded will get reviewed by folks who flat out do not get, or do not accept, that law enforcement is about preventing bad acts from often bad people who will not respond to Emily Post handling. The job is like making sausage - a lot of folks aren't comfortable with or aware of what goes into it. Sometimes you need to call someone a Bleeping bleep of a bleep to get them to pay attention, and do what you want them to do so you DON'T have to shoot them. There's a real possibility of these devices forcing such a level of timidity on police that it puts them at greater risk. It will certainly embolden the other side. Those that get to review these recordings need at least a brief education in how cops are trained for these less-than-pleasant interactions.

    But very considerate of the guy to wear a white shirt on the night he chose to shoot at the cops. Who needs tritium night sights when you have that kind of contrast?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    If the dude had been white, the cop wouldn't have bothered trying to pull him over. Racial profiling. Al said so. As for the shooting, the Latino dude was just protecting himself from another crooked racist white cop.

    Oops, got redundant there. Everybody knows that you can't be white and not be racist AND all cops are crooked. :roll:

    The thing that bothers me about the race baiters parachuting in every time something like this happens is that there is actual, real racism out there. Going after EVERY white cop that interacts with a darker-skinned subject as a racist just cheapens that fight. It's the whole screaming "Wolf!" thing...eventually, folks just stop paying attention, or at best, shake their heads and roll their eyes.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,080 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »

    But then there's the reality that whatever gets recorded will get reviewed by folks...

    Had a case here in Austin where some lawyer just started FOIA dashcam video just to watch it and see if he could find stuff to be outraged about. He found one, where a cop writing up paperwork after a crash honked to get a pretty girl to turn around, then made a totally inappropriate joke about "Go ahead, call the cops, they can't un-rape you"

    http://kxan.com/2014/10/30/video-appears-to-show-austin-officers-joking-about-rape/

    Cop got suspended. For making a stupid joke.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,616 Senior Member
    I'm a big fan of body cameras where they're needed. Already, most agencies have cameras on when making a traffic stop. The camera is hooked up to the blue lights. They are not reviewed by someone not in the know, they're reviewed by the cops. Cops shouldn't do things that can't be filmed, and usually, they don't.

    I've had a complaint on a deputy who was disrespectful to her, she said. Called her a pet name. She got a ticket for speeding. She called without giving her name to complain to the radio room. Her call-back number was recorded. I reviewed the stop and it was text perfect, could have been used as a training film.

    I confronted her with this in hopes that she would learn from this and not be making phoney complaints in the future.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Had a case here in Austin where some lawyer just started FOIA dashcam video just to watch it and see if he could find stuff to be outraged about. He found one, where a cop writing up paperwork after a crash honked to get a pretty girl to turn around, then made a totally inappropriate joke about "Go ahead, call the cops, they can't un-rape you"

    http://kxan.com/2014/10/30/video-appears-to-show-austin-officers-joking-about-rape/

    Cop got suspended. For making a stupid joke.


    A moment that was off-color and NEVER meant to be shared. While I generally support body cameras, this is idiotic.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Bigslug (and others) -- excellent commentary. Thanks.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    That joke about rape ? It is not a joke. A Police Officer operates under a banner of Official Authority having powers of arrest and use of lethal force in connection with those Official duties, so everything that LEO says while on duty in uniform to the people subjected to that authority is in question.

    Rape is a crime of violence, and joking about a crime of violence against the people you are sworn to serve and protect is no joking matter as a Police Officer has the power to enact those threats against a generally unarmed populace.

    A Police Officer is held to a greater accountability and hence there is no leeway for "stupid jokes" or psychotic thinly veiled threats of violence, ie RAPE is not a joke either.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    That joke about rape ? It is not a joke. A Police Officer operates under a banner of Official Authority having powers of arrest and use of lethal force in connection with those Official duties, so everything that LEO says while on duty in uniform to the people subjected to that authority is in question.

    Rape is a crime of violence, and joking about a crime of violence against the people you are sworn to serve and protect is no joking matter as a Police Officer has the power to enact those threats against a generally unarmed populace.

    A Police Officer is held to a greater accountability and hence there is no leeway for "stupid jokes" or psychotic thinly veiled threats of violence, ie RAPE is not a joke either.


    I agree that rape is no joke, but it seems to me we're talking about a matter that-at most-should have been handled internally, rather than making a very large, very public deal about it.

    The department in question is going WAY over board hoping that this will blow over quickly...but instead causes the problem to be even bigger and uglier than it was to start with.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    When a LEO exceeds the normal bounds of acceptable conduct, a board reviews any public complaints and the LEOs conduct, a board of professional conduct / responsibility.

    Quietly handling public matters in-house only reinforces the public misconception of futility in making complaints against an offending LEO in the first place.

    Internal affairs should handle most matters quietly out of the public venue when the public trust is not violated.

    A LEO using the cloak of authority to bully the public cannot be tolerated by the Brass in any way, and this includes verbal and physical jokes that give cause for people to feel threatened by that LEOs misconduct.

    When a LEO offends in public or offends the public the time for private reproof is long gone.

    If it was your daughter or mother or sister or aunt that was subjected to such rudeness you might not be so fast to excuse it, the bible says something to the effect of: from the abundance of things in the heart, the mouth speaks... loosely paraphrased... people tend to babble beliefs closely held, and some of those beliefs exceed ugliness.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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