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When was the last time you heard a liberal debate his/her ideology?

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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Ah, yet another recruit to my fan club. Just so he pays his dues!

    I'm soooo fortunate, to have loyal followers who don't even wait till I've posted a comment before they react on my behalf. I really ought to just sit back and let them write all my postings for me!

    :uhm:

    More than one 'Sam' but not in your world.


    SAM SMALL
    (Pick oop tha' musket)
    by
    Stanley Holloway

    It occurred on the evening before Waterloo,
    And troops were lined up on parade,
    The Sergeant inspecting 'em he was a terror,
    Of whom every man was afraid

    All excepting one man who was in the front rank,
    A man by the name of Sam Small,
    And 'im and the Sergeant were both 'daggers drawn',
    They thought 'nowt' of each other at all

    As Sergeant walked past he was swinging his arms,
    And he happened to brush against Sam,
    And knocking his musket clean out of his hand,
    It fell to the ground with a slam

    'Pick it up' said Sergeant, abrupt like but cool,
    But Sam with a shake of his head,
    'Seeing as tha' knocked it out of me hand,
    P'raps tha'll pick the thing up instead.

    'Sam, Sam, pick oop tha' musket,'
    The Sergeant exclaimed with a roar,
    Sam said 'Tha' knocked it doon, reet! then tha'll pick it oop,
    Or it'll stay where it is on't floor

    The sound of high words very soon reached the ears,
    Of an Officer, Lieutenant Bird,
    Who says to the Sergeant, 'Now what's all this ere?'
    And the Sergeant told what had occurred.

    'Sam, Sam, pick up tha' musket'
    Lieutenant exclaimed with some heat,
    Sam said, 'He knocked it down reet! Then he'll pick it oop,
    Or it stays where it is, at me feet

    It caused quite a stir when the Captain arrived,
    To find out the cause of the trouble,
    And every man there, all except Sam,
    Was full of excitement and bubble

    'Sam, Sam, pick oop tha' musket',
    Said Captain for strickness renowned,
    Sam said 'He knocked it doon, Reet! so he'll pick it up,
    Or it stays where it is on't ground

    The same thing occurred when the Major and Colonel,
    Both tried to get Sam to see sense,
    But when Old Duke 'O Wellington came into view,
    Well the excitement was really quite tense

    Up rode the Duke on a loverly white 'orse,
    To find out the cause of the bother,
    He looked at the musket and then at Old Sam,
    And he talked to Old Sam like a brother

    'Sam, Sam, pick oop tha' musket'
    The Duke said as quiet as could be,
    'Sam, Sam pick oop tha' musket,
    Coom on lad, just to please me

    'Alright Duke,' said Old Sam, 'just for thee I'll oblige,
    And to show thee I meant no offence',
    So Sam picked it up, 'Gradely, lad' said the Duke,
    'Right-o boys... let battle commence.'
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    :uhm:

    More than one 'Sam' but not in your world.

    It's a large club, but distinguished. :jester:
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    ....Sad thing is most are too dim to engage in debate and it is probably best if they don't.

    The type of liberal you describe is just aggressively ignorant of facts, not stupid at all. He is attracted to a non-threatening type of personality, and will fall in with (or behind) other clever, interesting persons who play to his preconceived notions of how a perfect world should be. He has decided that reality sucks so badly that he will simply not participate in it. He expects the politicians he chooses to support to deliver his 'Disneyland' vision of what the world ought to be like, and he is not interested in the boring details. Reality is for the unimaginative cretins of the world. The enlightened people can simply 'wish upon a star,' and their dreams will come true.

    It is so easy to be a liberal...sigh.
  • North ForestNorth Forest Member Posts: 358 Member
    bisley wrote: »
    The type of liberal you describe is just aggressively ignorant of facts, not stupid at all. He is attracted to a non-threatening type of personality, and will fall in with (or behind) other clever, interesting persons who play to his preconceived notions of how a perfect world should be. He has decided that reality sucks so badly that he will simply not participate in it. He expects the politicians he chooses to support to deliver his 'Disneyland' vision of what the world ought to be like, and he is not interested in the boring details. Reality is for the unimaginative cretins of the world. The enlightened people can simply 'wish upon a star,' and their dreams will come true.

    It is so easy to be a liberal...sigh.

    So very true bisley, and thanks for your excellent writing. Its refreshing to see that a few intelligent people out there can see things as they really are. My own views on these concepts are nearly identical, but much more crudely worded and heavily laced with profanity.......

    ....."Disneyland vision of what the world ought to be like...." -really gave me a good laugh, thank you
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    A Liberal person USED to be an open minded person who would listen to all sides of a debate respectfully and make intelligent responses based on their viewpoint when it was their turn to talk, not resort to name calling and a closed mindedness that real bigots display. Likewise, I used to enjoy listening to William F. Buckley Jr. debate as a gentlemen on the Firing Line and on the Cavett Show.

    Times have changed.
    Excellent point. Unfortunately times have changed for the worst and I'm afraid there is no going back. Sigh.......
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    A Liberal person USED to be an open minded person who would listen to all sides of a debate respectfully and make intelligent responses based on their viewpoint when it was their turn to talk, not resort to name calling and a closed mindedness that real bigots display. Likewise, I used to enjoy listening to William F. Buckley Jr. debate as a gentlemen on the Firing Line and on the Cavett Show.

    Times have changed.

    Exactly put. I've always regarded myself somewhat as a Burkean conservative (that government governs best which governs least) but when many modern conservatives tacked on partisan religious tenets ("right to life" etc) then it muddied the waters. Same for liberals, who used to be educated and intelligent and approachable. Now they're locked into their mantra and see nothing before them. Sigh.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Dude - you read this post in 4 minutes? It took me thirty to write it. Please elaborate on your comment. :bang:

    I've been reading over this post ever since I got home from my hunt and I can tell you that you put a lot of thought into composing this. But it doesn't take near the effort to read and comprehend it as it did to write it. I too read it in about 4 or 5 minutes and what you say is clear. No guessing as to your meaning. It's plain what you wrote and in my opinion pretty spot on correct.

    The left doesn't want voters to know where they're coming from. They BS the electorate and many times they the voters take it hook, line, and sinker. That's how these scumbags keep getting elected. And like you say, there are many out there that are slowly awakening to the truth and when they become fully rational to it they won't want any of what the left has to offer. But the problem is it may be too late.


    Maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am, but I figure that this last election, the 2014 midterm may be our last chance to turn this mess around. I figure we have one last chance to patch up things and get back on a capitalistic path. If not, we're doomed to socialism and all the maladies it brings with it. And Socialism usually ends up under a dictatorship. So we, the common man, will step back at least a thousand years. All the gains that started with the Magna Carta and the English Revolution, the American Revolution and the French revolution will all be for naught. Whether we can pull this off and turn things around will largely depend on what this latest crop of politicians do. Most of those elected in November claim to be Conservative. All I have to say is that they had better be. We don't need a slipping clutch going up this hill.

    Some of the things I would like to see would be strengthening the Constitution. We need to pass some strong legislation that prevents a president or anyone from overriding the separation of powers and prevents him/her from bypassing Congress to put forth laws or edicts that enhance or propagate their personal socialistic agenda. Also, I would like to see legislation passed that forbids any politician from changing any part of the 10 basic bill of rights amendments to the Constitutio n. They are what they're know to be, a Bill of Rights. Any other part of the Constitution should be fair game to change, except those first ten Amendments. Those should be sacred and untouchable. Also, it would be nice if they could strengthen the Second Amendment and take that part about a militia out of it. This would be a real trick to do where it could be made where no one can mess with it ever again. I don't know if that could be done but if we don't, there's a good possibility that down the road in future administrations it will become ripe for the taking. It came dangerously close this time, both that and the First Amendment were both in parady.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,826 Senior Member
    If that doesn't work there is always the Zombie Apocalypse to look forward to.
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Wow, snake - you and bisley said it all! Great posts!

    Snake, you mentioned the phrase "the common man" and it's been ages since I heard that phrase. And too often we forget what it means and how essential it is that the concept be sustained. Because that's where our strength lies.

    The Declaration of Independence said it so well... that the purpose of governments is not to exist for government sake, but to serve the common needs of the individual, and to preserve the God-given rights, and that we are obligated to change government if it fails.

    Thanks, guys!
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Wow, snake - you and bisley said it all! Great posts!

    Snake, you mentioned the phrase "the common man" and it's been ages since I heard that phrase. And too often we forget what it means and how essential it is that the concept be sustained. Because that's where our strength lies.

    The Declaration of Independence said it so well... that the purpose of governments is not to exist for government sake, but to serve the common needs of the individual, and to preserve the God-given rights, and that we are obligated to change government if it fails.

    Thanks, guys!

    Thanks Sam, but I give the credit to Bis, he is a very eloquent writer and he gave me ideas to expound upon. But you to added much to the conversation. I think we're all on the same page here.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    If that doesn't work there is always the Zombie Apocalypse to look forward to.

    What do you mean? We are living the Zombie apocalypse right. Stumbling idiots, noses buried in their phones, blithely unaware of the ravenous masses gradually taking that which they worked for. Too worried about the Kardashians or something equally as inane. THAT is the Zombie Apocalypse! Just can't shoot them in the head.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,826 Senior Member
    What do you mean? We are living the Zombie apocalypse right. Stumbling idiots, noses buried in their phones, blithely unaware of the ravenous masses gradually taking that which they worked for. Too worried about the Kardashians or something equally as inane. THAT is the Zombie Apocalypse! Just can't shoot them in the head.

    That's the problem!!!
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    What do you mean? We are living the Zombie apocalypse right. Stumbling idiots, noses buried in their phones, blithely unaware of the ravenous masses gradually taking that which they worked for. Too worried about the Kardashians or something equally as inane. THAT is the Zombie Apocalypse! Just can't shoot them in the head.

    Yes we can we have the means and the tools we just lack the will.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 381 Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Now, when there are virtually no conservatives left within the Republican Party, everyone is fine with the terms liberal or RINO, as long as it doesn't make them late for a round of golf before their fundraiser. .

    modified......
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    If people are reticent to carry for their own defense and yapple dapple away their rights explaining threat levels or complaining that a gun is too big, too heavy to carry, or how paranoia, or phobias is why they don't carry, they don't want the inconvenience or legal liability of carrying, do you expect those liberals to defend our right to carry ?

    When most liberals tout the mantra of the Democratic party line with respect to
    guns ?

    Firearms are the litmus test for liberty, how a Politician or voter feels about gun control or CCW tells you precisely what kind of person they are.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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