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9 x 23 Winchester

Gene LGene L Senior MemberPosts: 11,733 Senior Member
I was up at Academy Sports today and saw this ammo. I'd never heard of it and had to look it up. Seems like a 1911-size frame gun with ballistics similar to a .357.

If ammo wasn't so difficult to come by (probably not at your lgs) it would be a great large-size auto.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    I don't know if he still does, but Jermanator had one at one time.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    I still got it. It is a factory Springfield 1911. In a nutshell, it is a 38 Super on steroids-- same exterior case dimensions, but it is loaded to 55,000 psi vs. the 36,500 psi for the Super. Winchester factory ammo will clock 1450fps at the muzzle-- the same as most 125gr .357 Magnum loads.

    They have to beef up the action a little bit more to handle the pressures, but it is a really neat gun!
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Wow, you should bring that hot puppy to next years SE Shoot. I remember reading about them some years ago. Can use 9mm dies according to this article.

    http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/cartridge-review-9x23-winchester/
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Wow, you should bring that hot puppy to next years SE Shoot.
    I have brought it before, a couple of times! I will bring it next year too.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,254 Senior Member
    Sweeny gave it a pretty good description in his 1911: the first 100 years. It's a gamer-spawned round to put shooters into the Major category of IPSC, that generates a greater volume of high-pressure gas to run a compensator more effectively than the .45ACP. Basically running really hot to meet an arbitrarily established velocity/energy spec. Probably really cool within its gamer niche. Outside the niche? Probably still cool, but not a concept I really claim to "get".
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  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Sweeny gave it a pretty good description in his 1911: the first 100 years. It's a gamer-spawned round to put shooters into the Major category of IPSC, that generates a greater volume of high-pressure gas to run a compensator more effectively than the .45ACP. Basically running really hot to meet an arbitrarily established velocity/energy spec. Probably really cool within its gamer niche. Outside the niche? Probably still cool, but not a concept I really claim to "get".

    What about Mo Power don't you get???
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    What about Mo Power don't you get???


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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,254 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    What about Mo Power don't you get???

    Playing around with the heavy, flat nosed, non-expanding bullets has somewhat taken me away from the Roy Weatherby side of the velocity argument - at least as far as impact effects go. As for trajectory, I don't have a great deal of interest in reaching long distances with handguns beyond the occasional farting around. Finally, as a gun wrench, I'd rather roll with guns that run on low pressure "engines" and last darn near indefinitely than supercharged specimens that require a small box of spares in constant attendance for peace of mind.

    Nothing wrong with an IPSC dragster, but I'm not an IPSC drag racer, and the issues surrounding the "Major" power factor make my brain hurt: The original intent was to keep guys from ruling the competition with low-recoiling 9mm's or various light-loaded rounds and give the "mans guns with mans ammo" a chance. But then the gamers creep in with their comp guns and take the recoil down to the girly levels anyway, yet due to the velocity/foot-pounds rules, they are still shooting "mans guns". Since they're not actually killing anything, nor shooting distances where trajectory plays a major part, why not just call a spade a spade, dispense the "Major" concept altogether, and play the game with 9mm's or larger rounds with cat sneeze loads, rather than shoot expensive exotics that fly on the ragged edge of self-destruction? The Cowboy Action shooters have been rolling with loads that Wyatt Earp would laugh at for years - why not IPSC?
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